Jupiter, Saturn, Harvesting Machines?

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by nebel, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. nebel

    The harvesting or absorption could happen at any point. I see a planet prograde rotating and moving, sweeping material on the leading side on the orbit direction constantly toward the sun* (could happen via the magnetic field), that constant scooping would maximize material on the sunny side*** where with zero velocity, or even temporary reversal --whatever would be sucked pushed more efficiently into the quieter, noon zero velocity area of the near equator. (like a spike on the temporarily stationary tyre on the road.)
    *** creating an enhanced Yarkovsky effect, and greater energy gradients between east + west+ poles and the super energized equator zone. ).
    Earth weather is solar driven, If harvesting in the outer planet is more efficient, its contribution to Jupiter weather might be greater. or?
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  3. nebel

    Good objection. When using sunlight as an example, it has a source that is nearly stationary with respect to the moving planets.The "harvesting " concept becomes interesting when we look at moving incoming objects like meteors, comet debris.
    Those entering on the night side in a shared direction of orbit motion, would have a reduced entry speed, favouring intact arrival on he "ground". The midday equator would double the entry speed, leading to more ablation. For example,
    Shoemaker's string of fragments entered on the receding, day side of Jupiter, a slightly gentler approach.

    What is doing the grabbing? Gravity. If available, the atmospheres. finally the "surface", becoming pitted.
    PS: the effect works also for bodies coming from the outer reaches, at right angles to the orbit direction. Morning entries will be gentler, better catches. Perhaps,
    Best yet in the evening, incoming from below, sunwards, then entry is on the receding side of the orbit! ?
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  5. nebel

    Using your figures, which refer to the situation at noon at the equator, the near zero velocity would make it amenable to "harvest" material from a any "static" medium that would exist in the inter-planetary space. (or move radially from the Sun)
    Looking at the "harvesting machine" analogy at the midnight situation, in 5 hours, any zero velocity point on the equator at noon, will have accelerated with respect to the sun to ~26 km/sec.
    If we see the material of Jupiter as "scoops , hammers, abrasives", a different from the equator, and more efficient speedy extraction would occur there.
    Not to mention the effect of such differentiated velocities. acceleration in the evening, deceleration with respect to the Sun in the morning.
    Jupiter the cycloid.
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  7. nebel

    Some connections to think about:

    University of Arizona. "What makes Saturn's atmosphere so hot: New mapping of the giant planet's upper atmosphere reveals likely reason why it's so hot." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 6 April 2020. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200406190444.htm>.
    "--currents, triggered by interactions between solar winds and charged particles from Saturn's moons, spark the auroras and heat the upper atmosphere. --"

    In the model proposed in the OP, the poles, sunup and sundown regions and midday and midnight move at speeds varying from ` standstill to 20 km,sec. an the surface of saturn through the solar wind and "stationary" charged particles. these gradients changing every 2.5 to 5 hours have to be sources of that heat energy.

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