# Jupiter's Orbital Velocity & Equatorial Velocity cancel?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by nebel, Jul 31, 2017.

1. ### nebel

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Uranus is not really tumbling, but with a barrel like inclination to its orbital path, comes close. and here are
The amazing (Vo:Vr) x R numbers: 6.8 km/s : 2.6 km/s = a ratio of 2.6 , Uranus "rolls" among its inner moons, and

It's neighbour, Neptune has a Vo of 2.68 km/sec too.

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3. ### river

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Uranus " rolls " among its inner moons and Neptune , what do you mean. Head over heals , what does roll among mean exactly .

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5. ### nebel

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In the first pages of this thread was thrashed out the concept of a rolling tire, being in zero velocity contact with the road, (look at the pattern of the thread in the snow).
The tire is always in zero velocity contact , whether rolling at 200 clips on the Autobahn or standing in the garage.
The outer planets move, "roll "like that too. post 42 Page 3. and
Think of Uranus as the front wheel of stunt motorcycle, turned 90 degrees, yet still having zero velocity with respect to the road,--- your 3d request.
The "wheel " of Uranus would be 2.6 bigger than the "hub", that is, the planet surface/ readius. . hence the "road" being among the moons. .a result of the (Vo: Ve) x R equation.

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7. ### river

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Prove your concept . But first explain what you mean .

8. ### nebel

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I thought the 300+posts, the previous discussion, had defined, proven what I have come up with. Defending on another language forum, I have been prompted to realize that
The formula (Vo;Vr) x R leads to a 2 dimensional picture, planar concept, a curiosity feature*** of the solar system, very similar to Kepler's second law, the triangular swept areas, -- only nebel's law has round, no corners areas.
Here is the rub:
planets move, so that there is no rubbing, so that somewhere significant their imaginary " areas of influence " touch with zero velocity, with only minimal, rolling friction.
*** it is useless for calculating the burn time for your Mars landings.

9. ### river

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Which can fluctuate . Three Dimensional Observation Information ( in All Energy Forms ) , the Fluid Dynamic Picture will Evolve . Which will show , nebel , where your " somewhere " is . Or isn't .

10. ### nebel

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planets move, so that there is no rubbing
All points at noon on planet Jupiter's equator move, with respect to the sun, Vo-Vr , at 2 km/sec. and photons , when leaving the sun's surface, move in the Sun's prograde rotation direction at 2 km/sec. If they retain that component during the ~45 minute journey, these 2 velocities match, so,
Solar ration energy there, and there only, goes straight down the hatch.
so to speak.
if that difference between the midday match absorption and everywhere else affects the fluids, their patterns on Jupiter, Saturn, the (Vo:Vr) x R relationship would be the base for an alternative theory.

The Sun has a way of dominating the "gravity versus centrifugal force" balance too, if you only move at 2 km/sec but if should be doing 13. to keep your constant distance. it could give you the sinking feeling. Or climbing if you are on Jupiter at noon or midnight. a fluid situation.

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11. ### river

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Prograde : anti-clockwise rotation .

How does this , anti-clockwise rotation make its self known ?

12. ### river

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How do you explain the Planets Mercury and Venus ?

13. ### nebel

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The Sun's rotation is not uniform, varying with latitude and depth, but pegged at ~ 2 km/sec. The most obvious feature making that ~ month long journey are the distinctly shaped sun spots.
Sunlight, the solar wind, the magnetic field all carry that rotational momentum with them.

Planets with their own Orbital Velocity, Rotational velocity, have points on their surface* making cycloid movements through space with respect to the Sun.

*the standstill of the cusp might occur at any interesting distance from the Sun.

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14. ### nebel

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The proposed alternative theory of this thread, that planets have a zero velocity with respect to the Sun is akin to the second law of Johann Kepler which is an area law defining a triangle derived from velocities and distance. Interesting visualization, but not useful in mainstream science, to calculate orbit parameters.

this thread's thesis, using the formula ( Vo ; Vr ) x R gives the distance from the Sun (or the round area if you will) where a projected point on the equator of a planet would have zero velocity on its orbit, as it rotates in revolution.

Venus is very interesting case, having a slow retrograde rotation, meaning the cancelled velocities occur at the night side. Venus would be on a disk that "rolls" inside the orbit of Mars. Venus being ~ halfway between the Sun and Mars, would give the rim of that disk the fitting 70 km/sec (2 x 35 ) velocity near the sun.

see the animation on post # 290. previous page, the 8 points are on the rim of the Venus disk. ratios right on.

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15. ### nebel

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here are Jupiter stories that touch on the midnight to dawn "flank" orbital velocity changes, the shear factors between the "stationary" solar effects , and the planets midriff regions, moving at midnight with twice Vo, ~ 20 km/sec ., not just ~ 10.

Jupiter's magnetospheric dynamics, the motion of charged particles within its magnetosphere, is largely controlled by Jupiter's 10-hour rotation, the fastest in the solar system. The solar wind's role is still debated."
Southwest Research Institute. "Scientists discover a new auroral feature on Jupiter: UVS images faint auroral rings that likely originate at edge of gas giant's magnetosphere." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 29 March 2021. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210329094830.htm>

about the night side, where at the flank, the dawn, orbital equatorial velocity slows from 26 to 13 km/sec. The fastest gain or loss of orbital velocity, every 2 1/2 hours, in the solar system.

"We finally got to find out what was happening on the night side, where the dawn storms are born."

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16. ### river

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We also know that both hemispheres of the Sun move in opposite directions . Hence the equatorial neutrality which expands into space , in which all planets are caught .

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No.

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Yes

19. ### nebel

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That would be called a trivial, self evident truth. but look at this when we consider where the sun's orbital (around the galaxy) and average rotational velocity feed into the alternative theory formula:
from post #165 page#9.
"Original, and possibly Cosmic. Take the formula that evolved as a result of the long discussion : (V 0rbit : V rotation) X diameter of central body. plug in the Solar data:
Orbital velocity of Sun in Milky Way: ~ 220 m/s : Rotation velocity of Sun ~ 2m/s = a ratio of ~ 110/1. multiply by solar diameter ~ 1 300 000 km = 150 000 000 km aka 1 AU, Earth orbit semi major axis."
You read it here first, on: sciforums, pseudoscience. also:
that Earth orbit, on which the sun cartwheels is 1000 light seconds in diameter. fact not to be taken lightly!

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20. ### river

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The Sun " cartwheels " , because of Earth's Orbit ?

21. ### DywyddyrPenguinaciously duckalicious.Valued Senior Member

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The facts say you're wrong.

22. ### nebel

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No, The Earth orbit is not the cause of the Sun's rotation. or orbit around the galactic center, but, if the Sun would be considered mounted on a disk, if it rotated like the Venus illustration, like a cartwheel, it would have the right rotation in its orbit around the galaxy. see post #290 page #15 . The cartwheel touches it's rolling surface with zero velocity. It does not mean that the sun rolls inside Earth orbit, but its cartwheel size inside the orbit of the Earth's distance as it moves around it's galactic orbit.
A similar co incident that the moon would cartwheel about Earth, and the Earth about the moon orbit. and Jupiter (of this thread) and Saturn. along their orbits. (Vo :Vr) x R [ or D. ]

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23. ### nebel

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In this animation, if the red disk would be the earth orbit moving around the galaxy, the sun would be at the center of the circle of the dots, and rotate at exactly the right rotation rate, 2m/sec if moving at the orbital speed of the solar system around the galaxy. This work fits mars venus, for the su/earth, n the direction of the rotation is reversed.

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