Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Jan 11, 2016.

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Does the Kalam Cosmological Argument convince you that God exists?

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  2. No.

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  3. I'm not sure that I properly understand the argument.

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  4. No opinion or would rather not answer.

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  1. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm late to this thread so having NOT read all the post I don't know if my take has been put forward

    While NOT a thing I would say as a

    collective group EVERYTHING

    which does not EXIST now

    counts as things which

    did not begin to exist

    Also while again not a thing the laws of physics would come into existence at the same moment matter appeared

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  3. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    You correctly found the verse, although a slightly different translation.

    Suppose you asked me, "Have you any brothers or sisters. In fact, I have two of each. So I might reply, "Before me there were two boys and after me there were two girls"
    In between was obviously my birth. My birth took some time, but not an infinite amount of time, otherwise there would be no "before" nor "after".
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The difference is that God has no brothers or sisters, nor was He born. There is no time line in the verse.
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I would contend that NOTHING

    as in a TOTAL INFINITE VOID

    can exist without having a cause to kick start it

    After all if NOTHING can exist

    not even TIME (as in the measurement of change) can EXIST

    However in various threads I have been told that the state of a TOTAL INFINITE VOID is impossible

    There are always bits of matter and antimatter flipping in and out of existence

    Until for a unknown (and I contend unknowable) reason the flip flopping stopped at flip

    and the BIG BANG occurred

    Speculation (mine) would be it had to happen sometime and it did

    If you want to name a CAUSE to the happening a

    STATICALLY PROBABILITY

    is a good one

    or

    AN EXTREME LONG SHOT WHOES TIME HAD COME

    One name I would never give it would be

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