Then explain its no more realistic than say tolkienns hobbit lore because the three fold is made up bs and you dont only get back what you put out. Life doesnt work that way. There are lots of things that happen to people another or others instigated, caused or set in motion and they were not responsible for. It happens all the time and quite common! The blindspot with those who believe in things like 'the secret' and other feel-good fantasy bs is that like does not only attract like but also opposite as well. As an example, if you are of the light, other lights will be attracted to affirm it but just as well its attractive to the dark just as much but for a different motivation which could be predation etc. In the real world, you can do good or be good and get negativity just as you can do bad and get rewarded. Its not an ethical system. Its only ethical in the relative sense in that it works if you associate with those who can affirm your beliefs and how you operate. Thats all it is. While there will be just as many who will take your 'kindness' for weakness and not as a sign to give back in kind. Evidently i understand how things really work much more grounded and realistic. You had to say 'kinda' because you know that even the wiccan beliefs veer toward even a passive metaphysical idea that the universe does this on its own as an innate law which my op is pointing out is the major unrealism of karmic definition. No, it doesnt. We create those consequences as many examples will attest in society with laws, courts, justice system and reward/punishment. Also, justice can only be understood or meted out in accordance to the enlightenment/evolved of the mind/being so therefore many in the past did not get justice or even tortured or harmed wrongly etc. And its still happening today. And no, some magical karmic law did not make things right for victims of injustice or exploitation. What is the strangest but obvious blindspot is that 'higher' ethical reasoning and systems have to be developed. Its actually looking in the wrong ballpark when you look to the uncaring universe regarding some moral force of karma when the default is very base predation. This is why many people do what they do because they know there are no moral 'inherent' consequences! Those consequences are only based on knowledge of deed and who has power to mete out consequences. Hello?? So much for 'karma' as an entity or moral law on its own, eh? Life has proven this is not true. Like i said, we have to create it and refine it ourselves. The universe doesnt care if we create heaven or hell. Its a choice.