#LDTPoll: Who do you believe on the Russian hacking allegations?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Michael, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Lou Dobbs asks in a Twitter poll: Who do you believe on the Russian hacking allegations?

    18,000 votes later and the results were quite close.
    - Coming in at 6% is POTUS Obama
    - A close first was Julian Assange with 94% of the vote.

    .................."Legacy"

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    LOL

    John Harwood ran a similar poll of 85,000 respondents:
    Who do you believe America?

    11:25 AM - 6 Jan 2017
    83% Wikileaks
    17% US intel officials

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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    IMHO:
    Assuming that any computer/web based communication is private is a special form of insanity.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Asumming a partisan web based survey is somehow relevant is either delusion or stupidity....echo chamber much?

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    Actually, it's crap like that which has led to the radicalization of the so called "conservative" movement which is anything but conservative.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yes Russia hacked the DNC and released the emails to wikileaks to improve the odds for Trump. Why? We don't know, disconcerting: definitely.
    Yes the DNC was biased against Bernie and did morally poor (but not proven illegal) activities. Peopled were fired, Debbie is in political purgatory
    Yes the emails released revealed the Machiavellian and speaking out of both sides of the mouth nature of Hillary Clinton and her staff.
    And Yes Obama still has above 50% approval rating.

    It is not one or the other here, it is both: we need to deal with Russia and Trump being uncomfortably close, fuck buddies close, and we have to deal with the "corruption" in the DNC of bias, neo-liberal Clintonite corporate and state donor ass licking.
     
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  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Smoke and mirrors.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe anyone who trusts poll reports by Lou Dobbs has a lick of sense.

    And I do believe anyone who blames their vote for Trump on anything to do with Clinton is exhibiting symptoms of a guilty conscience. Nothing Clinton ever said or did remotely justifies voting for Trump.
     
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  10. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    The entire premise of the question is faulty - it isn't Obama claiming Russia hacked the DNC... it's several top intelligence agencies and numerous top intelligence officials, with the evidence to back it.

    Regardless if you "believe it" or not, the point stands - evidence says they did. Assange has nothing to do with it... then again, this IS our resident Comrade, so this anti-American drivel is nothing new.
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh boy we finally agree on something.
     
  12. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    One has to wonder why Trump is so adverse to saying or doing anything which might upset Putin. Could it be Trump is beholden to Trump for something? Could it be Putin and Trump collaborated to put Trump in the White House? If that were so, it's understandable why Trump would be so adverse to doing anything which might upset Putin. That revelation would not only end Trump's presidential ambitions, it would end his business and he would become even more of a social pariah than he already is.

    We do know the Trump and Russian government were communicating with each other during the campaign. More than that, Trump quoted Russian propaganda before it was subsequently published in the Russian press.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-trump-idUSKBN1351RJ

    http://www.npr.org/2016/10/11/49752...ussian-propaganda-to-slam-clinton-on-benghazi
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Michael:

    Are you saying, then, that the CIA, NSA, FBI etc. are all full of partisan Democrat voters who don't like Trump? Therefore they make up stories about Russians and Wikileaks?
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Speculation like you make seems unreasonable if not supported by evidence.
    I can speculate the other way.
    Trump may be simply trying to keep the peace which from an outsiders point of view would be a welcome change.
    Is it not time to fall in behind the leader?
    Alex
     
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  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Let's not be too hasty. We've seen this too many times before. Trump says one thing; then his aides try to clean it up, and then Trump double downs on crazy.
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I read the link you provided and thank you for providing same.
    I could not arrive at the interpretation you have made but it is interesting that one of Trumps people has said that Trump has changed his position.
    Thanks again.
    Alex
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I note the linked report did not quote what Trump actually said.
    Also if he is smart he must give recognition to the agencies who say Russian involvement was apparent.
    I personally hope that USA and Russia can get along and be friends.
    Is that an unrealistic expectation? is there hope things can be better than in the past?
    Alex
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Would you care to provide the evidence that "Russia" (let alone Putin himself) hacked the DNC's computer?

    All the evidence provided thus far solely indicates a DNC staffer pissed off at how Sanders was railroaded leaked the information. Leaked, not hacked, leaked.

    I'm still waiting for our "intelligence" agencies to provide evidence for WMD or evidence for The Gulf of Tonkin incident / the USS Maddox. The fact is we are the ones meddling in elections, we're the ones overthrowing governments, we support terrorist and we sell weapons to horribly repressive regime. We're the ones starting phony wars. Our intelligence agencies will say whatever they have to to keep our never ending phony trillion dollar wars funded.

    As an aside, all nation states have agencies probing weaknesses of other nation states. If one of them did the job our media should be doing, then that's fine by me. But, until I'm provided with evidence, I will believe what the horse is saying. Not that it matters.
     
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  20. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Pardon me, but are you saying that intelligence agencies don't have any agenda? I propose that their agenda is promoting their continued importance, just like any other bureaucracy, regardless of any facts that might be hidden in the press releases.

    Disinformation is king these days.
     
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I could careless if the DNC's dirty laundry was aired out by a crack team of Russian hackers, a teen in his basement, an Australian loner, an insider.

    It doesn't matter one bit to me. I don't care of Russia wanted WarHarpy to lose. Good.

    While the US media may paint Russia as a boogeyman (obviously hoping for more war contracts to their subsidiaries) I don't. Get this, perhaps what's best for Russia, GAAAAAAAAASP is also best for the average waddling American. That is, less war, more trade.

    Yeah, who'd of thunk it.
     
  22. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    Bottom line, even a hardcore twitter dwelling narcissist like Trump has a hard time denying reality when our professional spooks shove it up his nose. Too bad that other Russian tool holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London can’t get the same briefing.
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if there is any truth in all you say but I do think that much of the world believes that is the way of the USA.

    I get that feed back but frankly everyone I know are, like me, perhaps not well informed.

    I personally can not understand why USA involves itself in the Middle East and it does seem the region could be better off if USA stayed away.
    Is it just about money?
    Protect oil?
    Who ever has it will have to sell it why not just buy it from whoever is in control.
    I just think that at the moment maybe there could be better relations between Russia and the USA and I think even though Trump is all he is many have hope that his "I am a good negotiater" claim holds some hope for the USA to be less war like.

    Alex
     

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