Let Freedom Ring Like a Gunshot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tiassa, Jan 24, 2023.

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It's the [(expletive)] guns.

Poll closed Feb 28, 2023.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Freedom, motherf'er! I got my Second Amendment locked and loaded!

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  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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  3. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    Odd to say that we think most people should be "heavily armed". I think the common view is that we have the right to own weapons. Some do have various types for specific situations and purposes. I would think that would be accepted for some people with those specific needs to be utilized for those specific purposes. We do have that right, but I dont know of anyone who truly thinks we "should" be "heavily armed". Melitias, on the other hand might should be and for obvious reasons I would think.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight"
    "This property protected by Smith and Wesson"
    "Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun"
    US House Bill: "To declare an AR-15 style rifle . . . to be the National Gun of the United States."
    Argument for high capacity magazines: "How do I kill the 30-50 feral hogs that run into my yard within 3-5 mins while my small kids play?"

    "You should be heavily armed" is a pervasive meme in the US.

    See above. None other than the House of Representatives wants to make an Armalite semiautomatic rifle the national gun of the United States.
     
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  7. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    High capacity magazines are available across the board. Does the name make the AR-15 qualify in the heavy arms category, the semi auto feature, or the magazine capacity? In your qualified opinion.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, which is one of the many reasons that so many Americans are heavily armed. Thank you for agreeing.
    No one has mentioned "heavy arms." "Heavily armed" means someone who carries or has available many deadly weapons and the ammunition to use them. They could be 9mm pistols, revolvers, long guns, shotguns etc. The term has nothing to do with the weight or exact type of arms used.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    "Derringer Meryl" is heavily armed.

    There is a difference between "heavily armed" and "heavy arms".

    But between its paramilitary pretense, the sheer destructive power of a round that can deliver 3,100 fps and 1,600 lbft, the AR-15 is designed to be a monster. A high-capacity magazine only makes things worse. Yes, a Garand delivers a harder punch, but it only holds eight rounds, and compared to the AR-15 recoil system, is just harder on a shooter's body. Even still, walk into a school or church with a loaded Garand, standard-issue ammunition pouch, and murder in mind, and, yeah, that's heavily armed.

     
  10. ThazzarBaal Registered Senior Member

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    Do you disagree with some people being "heavily armed". I mentioned that some people have that need. Large capacity magazines, if I'm not mistaken, were or are limited in production, but have been available for purchase since. Do we still allow the production of large capacity magazines?

    A single gun method for multiple purposes might be a better option than many types of guns, in which case an AR 15 might suffice.

    What do you think?
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? No. It makes sense for soldiers to be heavily armed, and very specific members of police forces. But beyond that, no, it doesn't.

    And it is odd that we live in a society where people feel unsafe unless they ARE heavily armed.

    Consider an alternative. Let's say a parachute manufacturer wanted to sell more parachutes. So they started selling BASE rigs in case the bridge that you were driving over collapsed. That way you could open the door, step out, track away from the car and open your parachute! They could drum up the fear by nonstop posting of news stories that show people dying when they drove their cars off bridges, or when a bridge collapsed under them. And parachutes completely solve the problem of collapsing bridges.

    Right?
     
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  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You took that from another thread where I suggested that if a battered wife has no other recourse, she might want to get a gun.

    It might be worth asking why almost every conservative in America feels like a battered wife who feels she has no other recourse.
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Not every conservative has a gun. Not everyone who has a gun is conservative and I'm sure not every conservative feels like a battered wife.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Hence the modifier "almost!"
     
  16. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Seattle was a bit quick on the trigger there.
     
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  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    The Abridged Version

    "This month in the US, people were shot for ringing the wrong doorbell, getting into the wrong car, using a leaf blower, delivering food to the wrong address, driving into the wrong driveway, and for asking a neighbor to stop shooting so a baby could sleep. It’s the fucking guns."


    She forgot the one↱ about the basketball landing in someone's yard.
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    Notes:

    @shannonwatts. "This month in the US, people were shot for ringing the wrong doorbell, getting into the wrong car, using a leaf blower, delivering food to the wrong address, driving into the wrong driveway, and for asking a neighbor to stop shooting so a baby could sleep. It’s the fucking guns." Twitter. 29 April 2023. Twitter.com. 29 April 2023. https://bit.ly/3VfsBCM

    Buke, Minyvonne, Tim Stelloh, and Juliette Arcodia. "Suspect in custody after neighbors said he shot North Carolina man and 6-year-old over basketball". NBC News. 20 April 2023. NBCNews.com. 29 April 2023. https://bit.ly/40Q8oED
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well said. Of course it's the fucking guns.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    "It's the fucking guns" is hardly a "well said" bit of prose.

    A drunk guy shooting his gun in his front yard, where cops have been called on him before for this same thing, they talk to him and nothing happens.

    In most places, this guy would have been taken to jail the first time it happened. Most people with guns don't behave like this. Most people with guns don't shoot people when a basketball rolls into their front yard so it's not "well said" to reduce it all to "fucking guns".
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Without the guns, that guy wouldn't have killed anybody, chances are.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's very true, chances are. Guns are a fact in the US however. They always have been. Most gun owners don't act like that and most never have. Some of these problems are relatively new.

    Most neighbors don't kill each other even in states where everyone has a gun. It's a problem to be addressed. It's not a simple a being about the "fucking guns".
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    People drink too much beer and drown every spring riding floats down rivers. It isn't as simple as saying let's get ride of the fucking beer. Some stupid stuff happens as long a people are involved.

    No one need to hear "it's the beer" as though that is adding something brilliant to the discussion.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone one of them is capable of it. The us is full of stories of people having a bad day or accidentally killing someone. If they didn't have guns their victims would still be alive. Just because you are ok with the carnage guns reap on out society doesn't mean decent people are ok with it.
     

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