Wow, this thread has been BUSY! Vinnie - Okay, way back there, you said: "[my original post -->]^^^So my opinion, in a nutshell, is that everyone needs to keep their nose out of everyone else's pants, and mind their own business.^^^^ [your reply-->]What if this person really believes in their religion? What if they really think judgement awaits and hell is a real place? Wouldn't they be doing a good thing by trying to stop you from sinning and get you to accept Jesus, thus keep you out of hell? " Yeah, SO WHAT if that person really believes in their religon. If I were a lesbian, I sure as heck wouldn't give a crap WHY you were a pushy bigot! Try reversing the situation - Would you appreciate for one second a gay man talking to YOU nonstop about why is't so great to be on the recevieng end of some fabulous man sex? Would you appreciate his invitations to come over to the local gay bar, just to give it a try? And how about if YOU were the minority - what if being a Christian was a terribly embarrasing secret, and if those gay men found out about it, you'd be in danger for your life?? Persecution and bigotry are terrible, no matter WHAT the excuse you use is. Remeber the Crusades?? They were just trying to...how did you put it;"...stop you from sinning and get you to accept Jesus, thus keep you out of hell...". You might want to think twice before you start along that line of reasoning. If you're a Christian, and you don't want to have sex before marriage than that's what you should stick to. If you think homosexuality is a 'sin', then don't do it, however tempting that may be. Just don't go telling everyone else that they're going to burn in hell for having sex before they're married,or are homosexual, transsexual, whatever. I don't believe in hell, I don't believe in sin, and I sure as heck am not the only person that feels that way. Isn't there something about not judging your fellow man? And anyway it's rude to go pushing your beliefs on people.
Ilgwamh, No I do put a lot of stock into my emotions. You are just being way to literal. Nothing in life is 100%. I do not belive there is any absolute truth. ------------------ The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world -Max Born
""""And how about if YOU were the minority - what if being a Christian was a terribly embarrasing secret, and if those gay men found out about it, you'd be in danger for your life?? Persecution and bigotry are terrible, no matter WHAT the excuse you use is."""" I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes (1 Romans 16) """"Just don't go telling everyone else that they're going to burn in hell for having sex before they're married,or are homosexual, transsexual, whatever."""" I never have said that. But if you do not accept Jesus as your savior you will go to hell. According to the Bible anyways. """Isn't there something about not judging your fellow man?""" Yes, the Bible says "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. Most of the time this verse is used as a defense mechanism. 'Freely I confess my sins For God has poured his grace in But when another lists my faults I want to smash his face in' Thats the attitude a lot of us get. Even a cursory glance at the book of Proverbs would reveal that "A wise man accepts advice." """Try reversing the situation - Would you appreciate for one second a gay man talking to YOU nonstop about why is't so great to be on the recevieng end of some fabulous man sex? Would you appreciate his invitations to come over to the local gay bar, just to give it a try?""" There seems to be a big difference between a few moments of sexual pleasure and an eternity of happiness or sadness. Do you not agree? If the shoe fits...get another one just like it. """And anyway it's rude to go pushing your beliefs on people.""" That is your opinion. Where is it etched in stone that what you just said is an absolute truth in our universe? You seemed to have stated your belief that 'it's rude to go pushing your beliefs on people' as a fact. Its your belief and you pushed it upon me as a fact. Take your own advice. Have a great week. Vinnie Praise Jesus
666, In my reply to your question about what is wrong with pornography, I briefly mentioned that statistics are available... Rather than focusing on the statistics, I chose to focus on the more important nature of pornography in my reply. However, you chose to address my brief comment about statistics... What I am wondering now is, how do you feel about the nature of pornography and its intent?
Lori - I used to believe solely in abstinance prior to marriage, until I thought about it and realized that marriage is just a silly religious ritual. Marriage certainly isn't going to affect how much I love would-be wife, so why bother? On the other hand, I think that two people should refrain from having sex until they are mature enough to know that they will continue to love each other for years to come. As for rules.. as long as the couple fall under the above guidlines, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't do what makes them happy. Pornography is another matter. If it could be kept out of the hands of the immature, I wouldn't have any problem with it. However, since it is readily available to damn never anyone over age 8, I think it is a problem. Birth control is fine in my opinion, and if everyone practiced that, there would be no need for abortion. As for Pamela Anderson.. please keep in mind that well over 40% of the male population are morons(I don't think morons should be allowed to breed, but thats a different story). ilgwamh - Not to put to fine a point on it, but why don't you shut the hell up about how people 'know' what they know and answer the question that was asked? FyreStar
Ilgwamh, ***The only thing any of us deserve is eternal death in hell*** Who's the fundamentalist now? ***Homosexuality may have natural causes but none the less it is a sin.*** I remember the Nazi's had similiar opinions, and we all know what happened there. ***Why, in your opinion, is 'striping someone of thier basic human dignity' bad?*** So what about the remaining 5.3 billion people on the planet who are not Christians? Do they not deserve there own dignity? Should they burn in hell?
Okay Vinnie, my turn again! (Whoo, and I thought Lori would be the one chasing me around! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) First off, I didn't say you WERE ashamed to be Christian, I said WHAT IF? I wanted you to think for a minute what it might be like to be on the other side of your views, I didn't ask you to quote the bible at me. Next... You say "I never have said that. But if you do not accept Jesus as your savior you will go to hell" - Umm, am I the only one that sees a contradiction there?? You just DID say that, Vinnie! As far as advice vs. judging someone else - those are two different things. Telling someone something is different than advising them. "There seems to be a big difference between a few moments of sexual pleasure and an eternity of happiness or sadness. Do you not agree?" - Sure I agree to that, but you got to remember I don't believe in your eternity! Neither do millions of other people on this globe. Why should everyone else have to either conform to your views or suffer harassment from you? Live and let live. And, "You seemed to have stated your belief that 'it's rude to go pushing your beliefs on people' as a fact. Its your belief and you pushed it upon me as a fact. Take your own advice" Okay, sure, I can accept that. Allow me to revise my statement - "IN MY OPINION, it is EXTREMELY rude to go pushing your beliefs on people." Better? The fact of the matter is that just because you believe in something that doesn't make it a truth. That book you believe with all your heart may be just kindling as far as others are concerned. Your beliefs are valid for YOU, and that's who you should concern yourself with.
Hi everyone, Hey this is getting good. No time to talk this weekend...attack of the home improvement project. Oh boy though, do I have plenty to say!!!!! Gotta take the kitty to the vet tonight so it'll have to wait til tomorrow. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I will answer one of my own questions here though, and that is... What's it for? Why it's for making babies, silly!!!!! DUH! Why is it that people always want to make it about something else? It's never about making babies anymore. Nowadays that takes $10K a pop in a test tube. Ludicrous. It's not about love. It's not about love!!!! Point is that you should ideally love everyone the same!!!!!!! Get it? But hey now, that doesn't mean you get to doink everyone, whoa!!!! Love is expressed many, many, many ways, and a kind word, loving emotional support, a helping hand, a shoulder to cry on is many times a much more TRUE expression of love than sex. For example, I have GIRLFRIENDS, ok? And I loooooooooove these girls. Been friends with them since I was a mall rat, and we're like sisters. And I love them as much or more than I do my husband, but you know, I never, ever wanted to lick their twats. Does that make any sense? Sex has NOTHING to do with love, and I dare anyone to argue that. I for one can attest to having a smorgasboard of loveless sex in my lifetime, so there's your scientific proof for you. Yes Boris (wherever you are) I actually DID conduct a scientific study on this topic!!!!! What does sex have to do with? Babies!!!!!! Goo-goo, gotta go. More later. Can't wait. You guys think this is bad? Just wait...I'm gonna piss you all off something fierce! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Hey, do you like my new sig? I crack myself up! Wubbies! ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Dear Lori, I'm afraid that your new cute sig', which is based on your strong belief that the antichrist will be an alien just smacks of racism. It seems the politically correct new christian needs a new 'nigger' to kick. The Mormons believe that they are in fact alien visitors on earth and that black people are the devils own.Sound familiar? I don't know whether et's will ever make contact with us but I dread to think what our reaction will be if say the president of the USA and the chiefs of staff happen to share your beliefs at the time.
Hey Lori - grab your garters, I agree with you! Woah, how did that happen? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I agree, sex has nothing to do with love. You can love someone and not have sex, you can have sex and not love someone... It's up to the individual what kind of link they make between love & sex. Okay, but I don't agree completely. (Of course not, big surprise there!) I have a different view on sex being solely for procreation, however. Lori, you don't out and out state that that's ALL sex is for so please forgive me if I'm reading that wrong, but that is your opinion, right? I feel that sex is partially for continuing the species, but I think it's also designed for pleasure. The reason I think this is so - people can have sex thousands of times, and have the urges to do so, but only procreate a couple dozen times tops. Wouldn't it work out a lot better if sex felt pretty indifferent, but giving birth felt like an orgasm?? Or if sex only gave a woman an orgasm if she was in the fertile part of her cycle? But, no, it feels good, even if it's just you and yourself gettin' down to business. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! It's been proven to release stress, and it releases all kinds of hormones that can help your body heal. So, there's my bit for the afternoon. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Hi again, I've gotta few more minutes so I actually read through the string, and I have a few comments... TS, Wow! That was great!!!!! You are very eloquent indeed, and I agree with your perception (and your basis) whole-heartedly! Girl, I almost slid off my chair when I read that! (I miss my hubby.) Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Vinnie, Hang in there buddy! I'm sorry that some out here see the need to be so defensive. You know guys, I didn't percieve him to be shoving anything down anyone's throats. He's just stating his opinion and debating. You just don't like his opinion is all. Let's all be nice, ok? I've heard it all before, but man it's disturbing to hear the hatred many have towards the Word of God and towards Jesus. What they do not realize is that it's not the Word or the Son that they have the problem with. They rationalize their disbelief with the sins of Christians, or those who profess to be. If you are even vaguely familiar with the Word, you will know that this does not make logical sense. So who was it that thinks the Baptist church in Texas got what they deserved? That sent chills down my spine. What psychopath was it that said that? Are you willing to go down there and tell that to the parents who lost their teenage child in the shooting? Listen to me....Christians do not kill homosexuals. Christians do not persecute or judge homosexuals or anyone else for that matter. If you ever run into some people who call themselves Christians, yet they judge others and hold themselves above others, or they just bombed an abortion clinic, or they've got a big white hood on their fucking head, then get a clue....THEY'RE NOT CHRISTIANS!!!!!! Ok, so that was a tangent. Sorry, but I just need to have oooooone more. About the porno. More chills, thanks very much. Know what? I don't need any stinking statistics to know what porno is for and the effect that it has. And you know, just because some people DON'T decide to get so messed up on the stuff that they go out and rape someone is such a great arguement for it being a GOOD thing to indulge in. *scared/confused look* Pornography IS the sale of sex. No it's not, that's prostitution. I forgot to ask about that one, but we can just lump this crap all together. Porno is the sale of material for the purpose of sexual arrousal. So we're buying and selling sex. Besides our salvation, it's just gotta be one of the greatest, most valuable and precious gifts that God gave us, and we're selling it, and selling it cheap. Do you know why Pamela Andersen was the answer to the Hollywood Squares question? For the same reason that no one seems to think that there's anything wrong with porno. Let's see...fake hair, fake nails, fake boobs, fake tan. She may as well be a blow up doll. So that's what it's reduced down to huh? Well guys, how bout this? Go out and buy yourselves a damn blow up doll, and leave us REAL women alone. ok? You want to make JOKES about how the fact that collectively we've reduced women down to nothing but pieces of meat, as objects? You want to make jokes about how we've reduced the most beautiful thing in the world down to the same level as taking a shit? Hey now, that feels pretty damn good too, in the morning, after your first cig and a cup of coffee? And it's not JUST women either, so I don't want to hear about some poor sex object of a man out there. We are equally degraded. Why? Because we choose to reject God, that's why. We refuse to admit that degradation is actually what it is. "Oh no there's nothing wrong with it, those girls are getting rich, and having the time of their lives! They're movie stars; they're famous!" Money, money, money, money, money!!!! IS THAT ALL ANYTHING IS ABOUT ANYMORE?????? Well, if you think that the life of a stripper, or a prostitute, or a porno actress or model is glamorous, I hearby deem you too stupid to post in this forum anymore. *S* "Oh no, looking at porno is a normal and healthy 'release' and is perfectly natural." If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that out of a man, I'd be able to quit turning tricks and get off the street. Just kidding. Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but in my opinion, a fake hair, fake tanned, fake nailed, fake boob, liposuctioned girl totally nude, legs spread with one finger in her mouth and the other you know where in some kind of contorted position, making expressions of desire to no one in particular, under a bunch of white lights in some studio, with a camera shoved up her cooch and a bunch of people watching DOES NOT sound natural. As a matter of fact, I can't imagine a more unnatural thing. The things we rationalize. It's very disturbing. Sex isn't supposed to be published ok? It's supposed to be treasured and appreciated for the wonderful thing it is, not watered down, twisted and perverted, reduced to some monitary value and sold. Can I get an amen? ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please, oh please, oh please, let's not use that word ok? At least not when you are speaking to me. I find it terribly offensive and unnecessary. I know that may sound hypocritical to some since I'm such a trash mouth myself, but the words I choose do not hold such a deep-rooted and tragic history, nor such a specific and hateful prejudice. I say fuck the "n" word! LOL! May I point out that black people have never abducted thousands and thousands of people against their will, subjected them to horrible experimentation including the dreaded anal probe, totured them, raped them and then "harvested the babies"? Oh yea, that's what Americans did to THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! But seriously, I've never known a black person to claim to know all the truth in the universe, to hold the key to the meaning of life, or to compare the life of Jesus with that of Jim Jones. You find me some black folks that are doing this, and I'll get your point. Have you read anything at all about the messages that abductees are channeling? I suggest that you take a look. It's a bitter pill. Where do you think new age religion is coming from exactly? Listen, I happen to know first hand that aliens don't like Jesus. And I also happen to know that they are spiritual beings and not "aliens" as my sig suggests. I guess I've met some black people that weren't all that crazy about Jesus, but none that displayed the characteristics of spiritual beings. Had they, then I would suspect that they are demonic as well. *and I really wanted to make some snide sarcastic remark here, but decided I wouldn't cause I'm trying to be nice* ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Lori - "Christians do not judge homosexuals. Christians do not persecute or judge homosexuals or anyone else for that matter"?? I don't think I know any of these non-judgemental Christians you are describing. If I ever met someone claiming to be Christian that was NOT judgemental of anyone not following the "Word of God" I think I'd start looking for the Candid Camera guys. I know the IDEAL Christian wouldn't do anything of the kind, but the REAL Christians I have met sure do. Okay, that's a terrible generalization, but it's what I've seen and what else do I have to go by?? Not that I'm trying to say I'm above judging someone. I just try to judge them based on things that are relevant, not things that have nothing to do with me or my relationship with them. There, I just deleted a whole paragraph because I was getting nasty. I'm a'tryin' to be nice, I really am, but this topic really gets my dander up. During my senior year in high school, all of a sudden there was this huge surge of gay students coming out of the closet, which of course led to all the gay-bashers and bible-thumpers coming out of the woodwork. One thing led to another, and finally someone attacked a good friend of mine, from behind, no less! Among other injuries, his jaw was broken, but that was the least of it. Now it was dangerous to be different. I belonged to the "gothic" or "mod" group, which is where most of the gays tended to end up. I ended up playing bodyguard for a few of my gay male friends because they were AFRAID to go to class for fear of being assaulted. I would usher them into the girls bathrooms when they were empty because they were afraid of the boys bathrooms. My NON gay male friends suffered the same kind of treatment - friend of a fag is close enough, I guess. The school finally had to step in and place guards at the school for these students. A lot of them changed schools, went to continuation, or got their GED's. And what was the excuse for violence, almost 100% of the time? God. So this is why I am so adamant - sex is a personal thing, and no matter what YOUR beliefs are, religious or otherwise, you should never try to force someone else into your mold. It will only cause misery all the way around. Now, I don't think that's too extreme. I don't mind someone offering advice, or asking questions. I don't have a problem with being concerned for a friend. If your friend was gay, or in a polygamous marriage, and you're concerned about their future, by all means, go ahead and speak your mind. I am objecting to the crusaders out there that take it upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner all in one to people they don't know. Okay, on to other stuff. Lori, just curious, we know how you feel about porn (have to say I don't have much tender feelings for it myself, though for slightly different reasons) - what about a nudie picture of your spouse? Are lustful feelings okay within a marriage? What about an EXTREMELY graphic nudie of your spouse, something like what you described? I'm just wondering how you feel about that side of porn - the non-commercial, private-between-you-and-me type of thing.
Truestory, Sorry about not answering your main question. I just get kinda wound up when I see someone stating facts that have questionable foundations. I may have been a little to vague, but it sumerizes how I feel about porn. I don't see it as being harmfull when adults chose to view pron. You will find that the same people who fixate (and I do mean fixate, not view once in a while)on pron are the same people who have other underlining problems. I don't see it as the work of satan. My view may be totaly off base for a lot of people, to them I say, don't view or purchase porn. ------------------ The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world -Max Born
Lori, You asked where the New Age religion is coming from - I know this won't score me any points here, but I think most religions can be traced back to the Babylonian mystery religions, including, but certainly not limited to, New Age, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, Islam, Judaism and Christianity. (Sorry! And yes, the distinction I made between Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians was intentional.) I believe that worship of the Dragon or Serpent (or reptilian aliens, if you will) is the foundation of all of them (whether the followers are aware of it or not - and in most cases, they're not). I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, but the more I study religion, the more certain of this I become. That aside, I think sex can be used (or misused) in many ways, but it certainly isn't limited to procreation. And if you have never experienced sex as an expression of love for another person, then I am very sorry for you - you've been cheated big time! ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
What caused a most famous sexual serial killer's irregular tick? Could it be pronography??? See: http://ronmitchell.com/Bundy.html Is pornography harmful to women??? See: http://pages.wooster.edu/grayj/civil.html
Hi, I`m new here. Lori, I feel I need to say a couple of things here. Firstly, as regards pornography. You seem to have a typical female hang-up in over emphasing the importance of porn.(I`m not being personal) It has its place, and like everything else in life, moderation seems to be what its all about. Any addiction robs one of precious time in the search for enlightenment. But ... what is so wrong with the naked human body? We are not born fully clothed. We are born naked and this equates to a mankind’s natural state. As we get older we, are naturally attracted to the opposite sex (or the same sex nowadays) and have a natural sexual attraction long before we are mature enough for procreation. If God did not intend for us to feel sexually attracted to the opposite sex, He would only have switched the hormones on when we were married at age 25 or whatever. I said natural. God given. Why must we always fight against our natural inclinations, which are God given.We seem to forget that all our natural motivations in life were given to us in God`s image. As long as pornography is not produced in a manner which undermines an individuals rights or dignity, (against their will), I think its O.K. The models are posing out of their own free will. They are adults and it’s their choice. And if it’s done for financial gain, that is also their adult choice. Money causes a lot worse evils in the world, than in the porno industry. And as far as porn and rape and sexual violence statistics go, where I live we have one of the highest incidences of rape in the world and this violence happens in the social sector where porn can certainly not be afforded or accessed. Secondly, sex IS all about love. In the act of procreation there just has to be the greatest love of all.But you cannot tell me seriously that sex must be reserved only for procreation. In my experience. (I don`t know about your experience) It is the most intimate and personal way to show your love for another person. I agree it is not the ONLY way to show love, but between consenting adults, it is a deeply binding experience of love. I also love some of my male and female friends dearly, (and they know it) but I really don`t know how you made the jump from this love to the sexual aspect that you mentioned. I love my friends for their strenghts, weaknesses and their very humanity! Thirdly, what is a REAL woman? Fourthly, off topic, but what is your view on Christian Gnosticm? TS I concur with your view. G,day!
I like this topic. I give it a thumbs up. SkyeBlue, No that's not what I meant so I'm glad you asked. I think sex is HUGE! I'm accutely aware of how pleasurable sex is and that is why I describe it as a great gift. What I meant was pertaining to the consequence of the act, or why God gave us this gift. From a really big picture perspective the biological purpose of sex is to mate and to produce offspring. The pleasure and the emotional or health benefits are exactly that, benefits. Hey, if wasn't any fun, no one would do it. I'll be the first to exclaim that everybody should have more sex!!! Including me, dag it! It shouldn't be so hard to be married. It shouldn't be so hard to raise children. It shouldn't be so hard to keep a roof over your head. It should be easy. A child should be something to celebrate, not put in a dumpster because society made a teenager think that having a baby was the worst thing that could possibly happen to you and would ruin your life. I think people should get married as soon as they're "hormonally" ready and spend much, much more time than the average person does nowadays having the kind of sex that TS was describing above. See, by denying God in our lives, we have made it damn near impossible to have sex the way He wanted us to. I mean geez, we have to control the shit out of EVERYTHING, including sex. It's pretty fundamental for crying out loud. I think that raising a family should be a much, much bigger part of all of our lives than it is. The way I see it is that we've screwed up the entire system, the entire society, with greed primarily, but the other deadly six are in there too, so much that we spend all this time and energy and of course money trying to find ways of still collecting on all the "benefits" of sex, but to avoid those nasty consequences, those being children. We're too f'ing busy making money, and what are you going to do starve? Starve your children even worse right? Well how about this? If you don't want kids, then don't have sex. Sounds fair to me. Don't you guys see that God made these laws for a purpose? People are always arguing with me as if His laws are somehow arbitrarily set with the sole purpose of control and with egotistical intent! Doesn't what I'm talking about just SCREAM that we should just leave it up to Him and stop screwing around with the laws! Pardon the pun. Do you know that I heard on the evening news (like it was a big story or something), that there was a study done, and the results showed that daycare had a negative effect on the bond or relationship between a child and it's parents. Could I just shout out a big fat DUH here or what!!!??? Duh! Also, honey don't get me started about the judgemental "shame on you" Christians. That makes me so mad, even just the "better than you" sentiment, or the "shame on you" sentiment makes me mad, but violence is just out in left field somewhere. All I can say is that lot's of people justify hate and judgement and violence,and for lot's of different reasons, but none of those reasons are Jesus or the Word of God in it's true meaning and intent. I agree with what you say regarding someone's intentions. Intentions are key in EVERYTHING we do. But the only intention that a Christian should have towards others is their salvation in Christ and to love them as God does. That's enough, I'd say. Sharing the Word and witnessing are ways to act upon that intention of their salvation. Anyone who judges is looking for a way to convince themselves that another man's sin is greater than his own. I can speak from personal experience that your own sin is quite enough to keep you occupied. I doubt if you should really have the time to judge others. It makes me angry when I see a preacher say the word homosexual and get that snarled up, crossed-brow look on their face as if this entire group of people are the devil themselves. As if people are homosexuals because they're evil. I'm sure there are some real evil homos out there, but I think it's safe to say that doesn't have a damn thing to do with their sexuality, as there are a lot of real evil straight people out there as well. Gay sex isn't any more of a sin than any other kind of sex that falls short of God's ideal for us, and is true to Him. And I'd say that accounts for about 99.9999999% of the sex that goes on nowadays, and surely all of the sex that I've had during my lifetime until just recently. Using birth control and turning up your nose at homosexuals, huh? Very interesting, hypocrit. That was directed at no one in particular BTW. And as far as the picture of my husband goes, you know I'm a real true fan of the whole physical, hormonal, animal attraction thing, I mean I love men! I am a huge manliness appreciator, but I just can't see the point in a picture like that. For one, why would I want a picture when I could have the real thing, and another, it's so superficial and meaningless you know? I mean it's supposed to be what's on the inside that counts right? Don't get me wrong, my husband is a cutey-pituty, but honestly, THAT kind of pose? I just think that it's really focusing on the lustful "flesh" part of sex and not the part that really makes it worth while. LOL! This reminds me of some guy I was with before I met my husband. Sporadic one night stands over a few months time is how I would best describe the relationship. He was a cutey too; he had Elvisness. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But anyway, he would try to get me to talk dirty to him, and I just can't stand that. Obviously, this was before I was saved, but even then I just thought nothing could be more cheesy or pointless. To the point of being irritating you know, it's like I'm trying to concentrate already! So I go along with it for a while, hoping to appease this little fetish of his, but to no avail. And unfortunately his technique could have used some work as well. I finally said to him, "Hey -----, do you see any cameras in here? This is no f'ing porno movie here ok, so just shut up and kiss me." ROFLMAO! ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Lori, You original said that sex is just for making babies, but you have made many statments like the above that suggest that you are looking for something more that making babies. A little lustfull sex can be a great deal of fun once in a while. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world -Max Born
Truestory, This is the type of underlining problem I was speaking of. A happy home life doesn't allways equal a sane person. On top of that It apears that Bundy was just grasping at straws to try and prolong his life. A) I can only hope that in the USA people are not forced into the porno industrie. The authtur didn't state one way or the other. The authur could have been siting examples from other coutries ware thses sort of things are socaily exceptable. None the less it is wrong and the people doing should be arrested and delt with appropriatly. B)Once again there is no mention of how many of thses men polled have been predisposed to thses action in first. Did they do any psychoanalysis before and after? After all this is a psychological issue we are talking about here. C) Once again these in my beleif these people would have done it any way. Wether or not given a how-to manual or not any normal person would not commit such an act. The secound link you gave completly ignores one aspect of this, pron for women, and don't tell there is no pron for women. Are women given some sort of devin right that enables them to block out this supposed brain washing? ------------------ The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world -Max Born [This message has been edited by 666 (edited December 07, 1999).]
