Liberia - A new chapter

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Tiassa, Aug 12, 2003.

  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Part of the problem ....

    Part of the problem is that there's no problem worth handling until after thousands, if not millions in some cases, are dead.

    The United States reduced its economic obligations to Liberia when Liberia was "no longer useful" ... e.g. following the fall of Communism. The situation in Liberia has degraded consistently since that time, though they did manage an election in 1997. But like DRC, like Uganda, and as it was with other failures of international cooperative action, people waited until military intervention was necessary. Bush doesn't want the military tied up there? Fine, leave it to the Africans. But spend some money helping the reconstruction.

    It seems easier to me to work seriously with unstable African states when it will just cost us a few billion dollars here and there, and not many billion dollars and the lives of American soldiers.

    Bush tried to use African instability as a security concern while beating the Iraqi drum. Yellowcake, anyone? Sorry about the frosting melting off ....

    Just as a side consideration: How is it that European Christians, despite the barbarity many attribute to them in history, despite a partly-accidental and almost-successful run at genocide in the Americas, come to civilize themselves to such a degree as we enjoy on both sides of the Pond?

    Well, all that war and barbarity would eventually afford individual people the opportunity to seek something better for themselves and their posterity.

    Unfortunately, that is the going model, the "success story" for the world.

    Are Europeans genetically "superior" to the rest of the world? Or can it be reasonably wondered whether any people, afforded the opportunity to seek something better would do so? After all, to hear the folks with the guns tell it, that's what they're doing: seeking something better.

    Is the way of the gun the best way? Or can the "success story", the going model, change the circumstances so that hundreds of morbid morality plays about the way of the gun need not exhibit themselves daily in hot spots around the world?

    When we think about conditions in Africa, I think a certain perspective states it both melodramatically and also very aptly: In Uganda, a Ten-Commandments based group is running child prostitutes; in DRC there are reports of soldiers eating Pygmies for magickal purposes. Can the world possibly figure out how to offer these folks something better to aspire to than superstition and carnage?

    The only reason we don't hear about the millions of Liberian dead is that, while they're expected to be dead, nobody actually knows the extent of the damage.

    Of course, if I presume for the sake of argument that the North Korea situation gets resolved without a nuclear blast erasing part of the history, I fully expect the world to be shocked. Absolutely, jaw-droppingly, "how-did-this-happen-because-we're-too-stupid-to-read-the-neon-lights-on-the-wall", soul-chillingly mortified. And yet because it very possibly involves a real war--complete with an enemy that can possibly hurt American forces deeply and sink an entire region into fire and chaos, the best course of action is to take our time while things get worse. We'll take action when the only action left is blowing something up.

    It was only the Clinton administration or so when I was watching the news one day and said, "Are we going to rumble with the Koreans?" And all the conservatives around me said, "No. It's not going to happen. We don't need to worry about North Korea."

    And now we do.

    Chairman Warner has been around enough to see the writing on the wall. He doesn't need the neon lights to make it any more clear to him, but it doesn't mean he knows what to do about it. Nor should that imply the man is completely idiotic. I mean, he can manage his politics enough to be Chairman of the SASC. But we've let the way of the gun rule for so long as the operating model for success that it's going to take some tough work to change that.

    And Congrats, there is a difference between "peacekeeping" and "invasion". The Nigerians didn't have to kill thousands of Liberians on their way to Monrovia, which should demonstrate at least part of that difference. And you know, when all sides of the Liberian conflict openly declare that they would respect an American peacekeeping force, well? Ah, yes ... we're back to the regime change question again. Because Lurd, the main rebel faction wouldn't accept any peacekeepers until Taylor was gone. Well? WMD hasn't proven through in Iraq's regime change. Al Qaeda connections never were true. Bush is left with regime change and opportunity to stabilize a potential breeding ground for terrorism. And this has been part of my point through now two topics on Liberia: The human cause is all we have left in Iraq. (After all, it's not about the oil, right?) Why not the human cause in Liberia?

    The simple fact is that Bush is blowing the Liberian situation on so many levels that it's ridiculous. At the superficial end he's giving up the opportunity for an easier mission that would put some sparkle and polish on his barbaric war policies; furthermore, he would demonstrate that the US really is about human benefit instead of just its own pocketbook, and show that our appeals to human benefit are more than just another snow job. Politically, Bush could ease worldwide criticism and reinforce fraying relations with some of our international partners; Bush could show that the US really is more efficient than the UN; Bush could show that the US does not lack the resolve to back up its words; Bush could show that US policy is more than just another deadly imperial power grab. Substantially, Bush could have provided relief to many who did not make it; Bush could have put that Christian conscience of his to good use and started the healing; Bush could have demonstrated that human beings really are as important as we like to pretend. Whether for his personal benefit, the benefit of Americans, the benefit of Liberians, or the benefit of the world, Bush has chosen to do nothing more than put in an appearance for the sake of appearances.

    In the meantime, Uncle Sam still commands a big checkbook. Compared to Afghanistan and Iraq? We can afford a small investment in the future of American and world security.

    In the meantime, the only reason for a state of constant military engagement would be the silly presumption that blowing stuff up is the only available route to action.

    Oh, and as to Asia? Hey, we already have security interests working there. American soldiers were helping the fight against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines, and in 1996, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a key Al Qaeda figure, was indicted in New York for an alleged plot to blow up US-bound airliners in the Philippines. As for Central Asia ... well, I suppose we could trust the Russians and Chinese to deal with that, but ....

    The point is to retrofit the building before the earthquake hits. The point is to get the fire sprinklers into the building before it burns down. The safety concerns themselves are not enough to warrant a demolition crew to bring the building down.
     
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  3. Congrats Bartok Fiend Registered Senior Member

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    No.

    The war in Iraq was nor based on WMD intelligence- it was based on the presumption that:

    1. Theocracy breeds poverty.
    2. Poverty breeds terrorism.
    3. Countring the model of theocracy in the Arab world, and bringing prosperity to the people, will break the cycle of revenge-driven violence in the ME and effectively end terrorism.

    That is what we have left in Iraq. Helping people is but a small part of that. Liberia does not hold the possibility for the type of sea change that could come of Iraq. The objectives of both are vastly different, and should be.

    I've said before that WMD's were sort of "an icing on the [yellow]cake" (chortle, chortle) and were not anywhere near foundations for our case for war. Simply ways of getting support.

    Obviously, it didn't really work.

    So, the only reason for our involvement in Liberia is polish our image, and Bush is clearly just intent on keeping an image, so why the criticism?

    Is he not putting up a good enough show?
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Gee, Congrats ... I wasn't trying to piss you off ....

    On what do you base that assertion? By what standard should the Stalinist Hussein regime be classified as a theocracy?

    And while I too am a subscriber to the idea that poverty breeds terrorism, but I keep coming across analyses, such as "Understanding Suicide Terrorism", which repeat almost like a mantra:
    The word "poverty" does not appear in Ehud Sprinzak's "Rational Fanatics"
    see also "Profile: Look at the Mind of a Suicide Bomber" (NPR)

    So while I agree heartily that there is a connection between poverty and terrorism, I can't say that I've figured out exactly what it is.
    That is what we have made in Iraq.
    If you say so.
    Well, keeping the image of a militant, theocratic President of the United States with no regard for the US Constitution, human rights, or the obligations this nation has made abroad ... I just think he could try maintaining a better image.
    It's about as moronic as sitcoms in the current cycle. Good enough for the common folk who like to be told what to think. Not enough for those who were stupid enough to take ideas like compassion, liberty, and equality seriously.
     
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  7. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry to butt in and all...
    ands here's me thinking it was about being poor

    Are you sure?
    What? You mean everywhere?

    Gee Congrats guess the future's looking good eh?
    Dee Cee
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Update

    West African peacekeepers are responding to reports of fighting in the city of Totota. Relief supplies have been dispatched to Salala, where the refugees are hosted.

    The situation can be summed up in one simple note:
    see "Troops head to Liberian fighting" (BBC)

    And these are the rebels.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Malaria, Kakatka, and dangerous normality

    Americans' biggest challenge is malaria; fighting at Kakatka; "normal" a dangerous word

    Ten more US military personnel serving in Liberia have shown signs of malaria, according to the Pentagon, a day after 33 US Marines were sent to Germany and also to Bethseda for treatment. Two marines at Landstuhl RMC, in Germany, are listed in serious condition. The latest to fall ill include eight Marines and two Navy sailors, and all associated with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit and the USS Iwo Jima.

    Pentagon officials noted that troops were issued Mefloquin, an anti-malaria drug, three weeks prior to arriving in Liberia, and that instructions were issued to take the medication once a week.

    All personnel in the 26th MEU are now also being given Doxycyclene once a day as a precaution.

    It is most likely that the sick Marines contracted the disease while ashore, before returning to ship in response to the positive ground situation of the peacekeeping effort.

    Meanwhile, ECOMIL chief of staff, Col. Theophilus Twaiah, said that serious fighting has broken out between the LURD rebel faction and govenrment troops at Kakata, fifty kilometers north of Monrovia. The clashes are described as the most serious since the West African peacekeeping force arrived a month ago.

    LURD secretary Joe Gbalah claims that government troops attacked the rebel faction, who responded by taking the town. The fighting apparently broke out as six-hundred peacekeepers from Guinea Bissau began deploying in the Kakata on Tuesday morning. Fleeing refugees have expressed disappointments as the fighting continues despite the 3,200 ECOMIL troops deployed in the country. US troops remain on standby off the Liberian coast.

    Amid suggestions that the government troops and rebel factions are maneuvering for position ahead of UN reinforcements due in October, Jacques Klein, the American serving as UN special representative, has called for 15,000. As the BBC's Mark Doyle describes, Klein's bold statement that he seeks 15,000 troops--potentially the largest UN peacekeeping force in the world--to demobilize 50,000 Liberian fighters and, essentially, rebuild the army and government in an effort to restore democracy leaves Liberians wondering if such promises can be made true. Klein is scheduled to be in New York this week, pushing for a Security Council resolution. Doyle notes, "He'll probably get his mandate, and may well get his troops, if only because the Americans want something done about Liberia."

    And if that something means the 26th MEU stays on the water and doesn't come ashore any more, all the better for Bush and US service personnel. After all, it turns out that the American president was right: he cannot afford the troops. Current estimates indicate that the US government cannot maintain its troop commitment to the Iraqi theater past March, 2004. It will be of much comfort to Bush to get a large UN force into Liberia; the sooner he can bring the 26th MEU and its support home, the sooner people will forget that while he was right about not wanting to afford the troops to Liberia, long-running claims that we had enough troops to deal with both Afghanistan and Iraq have proven false. Politically, it's a good week for Bush on the Liberia issue, even for having done so little.

    - Mount, Mike, et al. "More U.S. marines contract Malaria". CNN.com. September 9, 2003. see http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/09/liberia.malaria/index.html

    - Report, Staff. "Fighting flares in Liberia". BBC News Online. September 9, 2003. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3094180.stm

    - Doyle, Mark. "Liberia's sad normality". BBC News Online. September 7, 2003. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3085286.stm
     

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