life: purposed to continue

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  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    when observing living things; does the philosphical idea representing the 'intent' of a living thing sustain the definition

    life: purposed to continue


    Does that makes sense?
     
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  3. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    No.
    How can life have a purpose?
    It just IS.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It might be more accurate to say that life which isn't good at continuing... doesn't.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    On the Beach at Night Alone
    BY
    Walt Whitman



    On the beach at night alone,
    As the old mother sways her to and fro singing her husky song,
    As I watch the bright stars shining, I think a thought of the clef
    of the universes and of the future.


    A vast similitude interlocks all,
    All spheres, grown, ungrown, small, large, suns, moons, planets,
    All distances of place however wide,
    All distances of time, all inanimate forms,
    All souls, all living bodies though they be ever so different, or in
    different worlds,
    All gaseous, watery, vegetable, mineral processes, the fishes, the brutes,
    All nations, colors, barbarisms, civilizations, languages,
    All identities that have existed or may exist on this globe, or any globe,
    All lives and deaths, all of the past, present, future,
    This vast similitude spans them, and always has spann'd,
    And shall forever span them and compactly hold and enclose them.
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Two questions;

    What is your definition of "life"?
    Are you saying you don't have a purpose in your life?

    jan.
     
  9. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    It's not whether or not I have a purpose (that's self-determined (to the extent I actually have a purpose)) as to whether or not LIFE as life has a purpose.
     
  10. Jozen-Bo The Wheel Spinning King!!! Registered Senior Member

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    Walt Whitman is one of my favorite Poets!
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You, as am I, and everyone here, represent "life", do we not?

    jan.
     
  12. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    As individual "components" of life we may have a purpose: not a common one though.
    Do you have the same "purpose" as a jellyfish? A dandelion?
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So without these individual components, what are we left with?

    Does a state of the are BMW have the same purpose as the first car that was ever built?

    Does my representation of "life" have the same purpose to that of a jelly?
    Partly.

    jan.
     
  14. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Nope, the question was about "LIFE" - not the individual.
    Is there an overall purpose?

    The part is subject to the overall purpose.

    Really?
    What?
     
  15. Jozen-Bo The Wheel Spinning King!!! Registered Senior Member

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    I have the same purpose of a Jelly Fish and a Dandelion! In fact, I am really a Dandelion Jelly Fish writing from a water-proof lab top at the bottom of the ocean. And my purpose is to reproduce an abundance of more dandelion jelly fish!
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Oli,

    You're saying that "life" has no purpose
    Yet beings, who represent life, have purpose.
    That implies that "life" is distinct from it representation.
    My question is; what is this "life" that exists beyond its representation?

    Eat, sleep, reproduce, defend.

    jan.
     
  17. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Your individual purpose has no actual relevance to life as an overall phenomenon.


    None of those are a "purpose" they just are. They're consequences.
    Or are you asserting that the "purpose" of life is just to "be"?
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Which is why ask what is your definition of life?

    Are you saying that survival is not a willfull occupation?

    jan.
     
  19. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Life is EVERYTHING that is alive, neh.
    Are you saying a sponge, for example, displays will?
     
  20. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    yes... a will to live!


    as you suggest 'life' just being a consquence or perhaps a per se random (just maybe), this i contest with suggesting; that ALL living 'things' have a purpose noted as the instinctive 'processes' of living things

    no process (purpose) would equate to not alive!

    so the idea (philosophical representation) to use as a constant, practically across the board is;

    Life: purposed to continue
     
  21. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Speculation.
    It doesn't have a "will" to live it just lives.

    Suggest all you like.
    It doesn't make it true.
    And instinct is not purpose.

    Speculation.
    Circular argument.
    Process is not purpose.

    Use as a constant?
    It requires proof or at least demonstration before being accepted as a standard.

    Wrong.
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    pur⋅pose
    –noun
    1. the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purpose

    So for what reason does life exist ?
    If it has a reason then someone or something had a reason to bring it into existence.
    It follows logically that this someone or something could not have been alive before it cause life to exist.

    Any ideas who or what it was that was not alive before it caused life to exist and had a distinct reason for causing life to exist ?

    Oh.. wait a minute..
    How come I'm not surprised the theists are arguing in favor of life having a purpose ?
    Unfortunately, this is the philosophy forum and they are required to show that this someone or something that 'was not alive before it caused life to exist and had a distinct reason for causing life to exist' exists.
     
  23. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    that makes no sense.

    as then what is the difference of a rock and you?

    instinct is a description of life's 'purpose'

    the idea is a reference to measure 'alive'

    That is what logic is for; to enable the rendition to be measured.

    Nothing you posted in this whole thread contested the scope of the thread.

    As life is purposed just like a spark to a lighter and once the process is started 'it' will continue until the environment changes; just observe evolution as leaving billions of years worth of proof!

    It ain't a consequence, living structures exhibit definable processes. These processes are in continuous motion and of itself, is 'purposed to continue'..

    that is why life 'evolves' as 'life' will change based on 'environmental' conditions.
     
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