# Lottery tickets?!

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by parmalee, Dec 12, 2019.

1. ### parmaleeperipatetic artisanValued Senior Member

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OK, first of all, shame on me for reading Yahoo! Finance. I don't know why I do it--and I don't really do it that often--but I have this strange fascination with crap "news" sources. Anyways, stumbled upon this:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...-lowest-earners-spend-on-vices-050244627.html

wherein, this is claimed:
13 percent?!?! I didn't delve too deeply, whether they're talking gross or net and so forth... Don't know. But there is just no freakin' way that there are people who are spending four thousand bucks on lottery tickets.

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3. ### wegsMatter & Pixie DustValued Senior Member

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Sounds like a gambling addiction, of sorts.

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$75/week is, for me, a huge outlay. I spend$30/month, ~$365.00/year. 6. ### Google AdSenseGuest Advertisement to hide all adverts. 7. ### sideshowbobSorry, wrong number.Valued Senior Member Messages: 6,113 I spend... lemme see... naught, naught... carry the naught... as I cipher it, naught per cent. 8. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member Messages: 3,864 9. ### Neddy BateValued Senior Member Messages: 2,032 As you found out, this forum has a bug where dollar signs mess up formatting. The mess doesn't appear in the preview, only in the actual post. At least you tried to fix it. I'm always surprised when someone's post gets messed up, and they don't even mention it or try to fix it. My guess is that they never noticed. Here is a fixed version: 10. ### gmilamValued Senior Member Messages: 3,170 Don't know how much my ex-wife spent on Lotto. But I was shocked at how much money I had after our divorce - even after paying 1000 a month in alimony. 11. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member Messages: 3,864 TIL 12. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member Messages: 3,864 You could get a competent hit man for five hundred dollars one time payment. 13. ### JeevesValued Senior Member Messages: 4,295 I was having coffee with a friend in a diner where they also sell those stupid little tickets you crack open like an advent calendar - except you don't get a candy. You don't get anything but waste paper. A woman came in, a tired middle-aged woman in a threadbare coat, and bought a handful. Crack, crack, crack, discard, discard, discard, dead serious. Buy another handful. We watched in growing horror as she whipped through$80 in five minutes, without appearing to enjoy a single second of it.
For a lot of people with financial problems, winning a jackpot seems like the only possible salvation.
The ads make it look so easy! They show all these ordinary working folks, just like you, or glittery young people having tremendous fun, that you wish you were, and they're all winning. They never advertise the losers; never interview the man who lost his house or the woman whose husband divorced her because he couldn't pay her debts anymore.
In teeny print or sotto-voce, they remind you to "play responsibly" while stoking your potential addiction.
And it's not organized crime doing this - it's government. The same government that doesn't allow cigarettes in public view.

14. ### parmaleeperipatetic artisanValued Senior Member

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OK, is the consensus here that I am incorrect in thinking that these findings are the product of a deeply flawed "study," and they cannot be even remotely accurate? Specifically, this claim:
It also reported on tobacco (@ 30 thousand or less income) (13%), alcohol (11%), gambling (4%), but I figured, at least people get something from these other "vices."

I'm just finding it odd that I am the one who seems to be struggling with accepting this. I mean, I generally have a very low opinion of people, an especially low opinion of Americans, and, frankly, even struggle to acknowledge that most Americans are, in fact, people. It would be hard for me to even think less of people than I already do, but... If this is accurate... Chhhrrrist.

15. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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Do you object to people betting on sporting events or craps or blackjack?

16. ### parmaleeperipatetic artisanValued Senior Member

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I don't object to anything, I just can't figure it out. The article mentions "gambling" separately from "lottery." I''ve never been remotely interested in gambling, but, I suppose, I can appreciate it somewhat more. It passes time, I guess. And some games seem a whole lot more interesting than others; well, depending upon one's perspective within it.

But the lottery? What enjoyment can anyone derive from that? But more to the point: we're talking about people who make less than 30 grand a year, and they're spending over four thousand of it on lottery tickets? If we entertain the increasingly rare scenario in which people are handed a physical pay cheque every two weeks, it's kind of like taking every 7th or 8th cheque, and saying, "Meh. Just keep it... or toss it. Whatever." And these are people who don't really have a whole lotta extra cash to spare. Kinda mind-boggling, no?

Edit: And about the same amount on tobacco products. I smoke--a fair bit, actually. Fewer side-effects than anti-psychotics, and I like my tobacco as much as I like coffee and tea. But, I only hand roll cigarettes with proper, pure, organic tobacco. My annual cost: less than three hundred bucks--and that works out to about 300 or so packs of cigarettes. I'm saving about four thousand bucks a year by not smoking shit that tastes like stale ass, and is packed full of all kinds of crap other than tobacco. WTF?!

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17. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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I know people that like balut. Never gonna figure that out.

18. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Hind sight is 20/20.
You have the privilege of looking back on times they did not win, and saying 'they just threw their money away'. Before the draw, there are two possible outcomes - one of which is a million dollar win. That's the nature of gambling.

It's like Spock burning all the fuel in Galileo 7, on the faint hope that the plume would be seen by the Enterprise. In his case, he didn't just burn 13% of his budget; he burned 100% - but the huge gamble paid off.

21. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Sure it does. Doubling the number of tickets doubles your chances. That's a significant increase.

22. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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See, I figure the other way around makes more sense.

It's not as if "only" winning 2 million - as opposed to 100 - is anticlimactic. Any large amount is going to change your life.
So, given a choice between
- "a stupid amount of money with a miniscule chance of winning", and
- "a stupid amount of money with a larger chance of winning"
why not go for the larger chance?

23. ### sideshowbobSorry, wrong number.Valued Senior Member

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No, another bucket of water in the ocean is not a significant increase.