Lucifer

Discussion in 'Religion' started by davewhite04, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Any idea who he is?

    He is mentioned once in the bible, and referred to as "the Morning Star", just as Jesus is.

    So is Lucifer Jesus, or maybe Satan?
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,308
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Interesting. So nothing conclusive. Given that Venus was regarded as the goddess of love in the Roman pantheon(around Jesus' time) I see a plausible connection between Jesus and Lucifer. There is only one planet called the Morning Star back in the day and that's Venus. It seems obvious to me that Jesus is also Lucifer, unless revelations is bollocks, which could be true.
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,501
  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
  9. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,162
    I read a book last year about Luciferianism. It seems that he was once an angel, and fell from grace. God cast him to earth. It would seem that while many think of Lucifer as evil, he is actually the great liberator. Liberation from what? From following the constructs of man and even God, and finding the light, within the darkness.

    That's what I recall from that book. I have a friend who follows the ''left hand path,'' and he has helped me see in greater depth, the meaning behind this. It's about finding one's truest self, even if it's dark, and not quite the norm. Who defines normal, in other words?

    It was worth the read, because I've only ever been told and taught that Lucifer doesn't represent anything potentially redeemable.
     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,729
    Satan is a saviour

    Lucifer the light bringer

    the bringer of all knowledge

    the anti-christ

    Lies of man told to people by man to get man to follow man instead of god.
    Lucifer is the construct of free will that the older church denied its followers.
    the older church had all knowledge hidden, ability to read and write, books, secret science etc...
    Lucifer gave this knowledge to man as free will as this was gods word of truth.
    thats my take on it.

    satanism and the dark arts is something quite different from the christian belief around the basic concept of Lucifer and i dont know anything about that stuff.
     
  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,882
    I always believed Lucifer and satan are different things. One a fallen angel the other a devil, one knowledge the other hatred.
     
  12. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Satan was the name after the fall to earth.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,729
    and "under-world" would be mortal earth as it is "under" the realm of heaven where all use to live... (theorizing)
     
  14. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Mindbinding!
     
  15. Sancho Banned Banned

    Messages:
    51
    Sancho gave this about three minutes of thought.
     
  16. OutOFtheBOX Registered Member

    Messages:
    2
    Could it be a Vail of Beelzebul? Son of Baal? Father of lies?Ruler of the Wind?

    I suggest reading the Word of God...

    It could answer all your questions...

    The is an earthly teacher and sactifier...

    The Holy Spirit
     
  17. kx000 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,882
    Aswell, Jesus is called the true light of the world, and in a separate verse it says "satan masquerades as a angel of light."
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Yep, according to Paul.
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    It's probably a usurpation of some older God myth, Christianity is good at that.
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    What is?
     
  21. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    Lucifer.
     
  22. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Who do you think it could be?
     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    A quick Wikipedia read reveals pantheons of ancient Middle Eastern and Semitic deities. All of which needed to be literally demonized in order to solidify the monopoly of monotheism.
     

Share This Page