Magic.

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    My spell-checker didn't like it either.
     
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  3. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    For perhaps entirely unrelated reasons I'm reminded of the scientific principle "Making Shit Up Doesn't Count As Evidence."
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    It's certainly mental.
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Does not square up with

    So do we go with - nobody can control it - OR - is the ability to effect change in the world - ???

    Link please

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  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You can effect change in the world without controlling. You are doing it right now in fact.
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Since when are mental properties not physical?
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Since they are mental not physical..

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  12. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    And it's not magic.

    And don't try to distort Clarke's Law, he had to clarify it for the weebles that thought he was claiming magic was real shortly after it appeared in print.
     
  13. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Is this separate from the voices in the head?
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But our mental processes are physical. That's why chemicals can effect our mental processes.

    All physical is not mental but all mental is physical.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You're suggesting an identity of mental with physical properties? On what basis seeing they are different things? For example, your thought of your wife and some synapses firing in your brain. They're the same thing? But they're not! Not at all! One has mental properties and the other has physical properties. One is extended in space and the other is not. One can be quantified and measured and the other cannot.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect. Making a change is control

    Still waiting on a link

    Since always

    Not even close

    phys·i·cal
    \ˈfi-zi-kəl\
    adjective
    • :relating to the body of a person instead of the mind
    • :existing in a form that you can touch or see

    men·tal
    \ˈmen-təl\
    adjective

    f: relating to spirit or idea as opposed to matter

    Mirriam-Webster

    Lot more under mental - I picked the relevant one

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  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    On the basis that I mentioned: that chemicals can effect our mental processes. A physical substance has a physical effect on other physical substances. If there was a non-physical woo component to mental activities, how would you know?
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, as we can see so far, no one has or can put forth a definition of the term that has consensus.
    That's sort of a prerequisite for asking whether it exists.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    "Nuh uh" isn't much of a response.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    But mental properties also effect chemical processes. I guarantee you if you solve an equation you are effecting the chemical processes of your brain. Therefore mental processes must have existence outside of physical processes, no?
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, physical effects physical.

    Non sequitur. Thought is chemical (and electrical) processes. Chemical/electrical processes trigger chemical/electrical processes. No external influence is implied.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    If thought can effect chemical changes in your brain, it can't exactly be the same as those chemical processes can it? Causality assumes the non-identity of the cause and the effect.
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I went back and edited a post few moments ago

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