Magic.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by TheFrogger, May 29, 2018.

  1. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    words allow us to define things.
    while scientific words define facts as laws.

    if scientific fact defines "real Magic" as unexplainable by science, is it a proper use of the word "real magic" ?

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  3. TheFrogger Registered Member

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    My argument precisely. Magic is unexplained. If it cannot be explained it is described as Magic. Should there be an explanation for the phenomena. Hence my perspective that there is an explanation for everything.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, only by the ignorant and fearful.

    The rest of us describe it as "a subject of active study".
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    "unexplained" is an explination.
    the explination is to explain it as unexplained.

    "tell me what it is!"
    "it is unexplained!"

    is that an explanation ? does an opinion define it as being void from scientific fact of 'being' ?
     
  8. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    NO. It's a description NOT a explanation

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  9. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    qualitative, quantitative or both ?
     
  10. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    Neither

    DE - SCRIP - TION

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  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    On the contrary, there are scans, etc. that can "see" processes in the brain. Show you a thousand pictures and your brain will react differently to a picture of your wife. There is clearly a physical process related to your wife that is not related to anything else.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You romantic devil!
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You do know what introspect means don't you? Enumerate the many ways the thought of your wife resembles a chemical process in your brain. If they're the same thing they should at least share the same properties.
     
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  14. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    Chemical / electrical processes yes
    Not related to anything else

    Cannot know that

    Area of brain could be doing double duty

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  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    James (The Amazing) Randi always made a point about never calling himself a "magician". Instead, he prefers the word "conjurer". The reason, course, is that he likes to emphasise that no stage magician does "magic". Magicians are masters (or mistresses?) at misdirection. Their job is to make you see what they want you to see, and not (all of) what is actually happening.
     
  16. river

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    Mind over matter .

    Last time
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    lol
     
  18. river

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    Leave it to yah
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm kinda wondering if post 113 was a threat. Like, if we don't all listen up this time, you'll refuse to say it again.
     
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  21. TheFrogger Registered Member

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    Actually it's de-script-ion. To undo scripture (writing.) This is why I prefer the American, "eraser," rather than "rubber." Rubber comes from the rubber plant and can be used to make tyres etc.. It's also why I prefer the American, "garbage," rather than, "rubbish," which de-scribes something like a, "rub."

    All magicians begin with a clean slate. HOW they develop the trick affects the finished TRICK. Only God can do the unexplained.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Or you could enumerate the ways in which they differ. You are the one who is making a positive claim, that physical and mental processes are fundamentally different. Support your claim.
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You have it backwards. Rubber is called rubber because rubbers (things that rub) are made of it.

    And yet shamans and other charlatans are adept at explaining God.
     

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