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  1. bolonny Registered Member

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    if you cut a magnet in half and did it again and again what would you have at the end of all your cutting......would it be smaller than light...??
     
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  3. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Light travels in very small waves, so scientists sometimes measure very small distances in comparison to the length of one cycle of a light wave. It turns out that as you move across the rainbow from red to violet the light waves get shorter. So to simplify this scientists came up with a measurement called the Angstrom, which is much smaller than a light wave and this way all the light waves, and objects even smaller than light waves, can be measured on the Angstrom scale.

    If the magnet is made of iron, then as you keep cutting it in half you get down to a very thin slice which is made up of clusters of iron atoms mostly arranged in patterns we call crystal lattices. You will not find a machine to cut it down to an Angstrom, not even thousands of Angstroms. So no, the slice would not be smaller than a wavelength of light.

    If you imagine what you might end up with if you could keep cutting it smaller, it would finally divide into a sheet of iron atoms, one atom thick. Beyond that you would be cutting the iron atom in half which would be like splitting its nucleus into two smaller atoms, and changing it into aluminum.

    I'm not sure if this is what you were asking but hopefully it will get you started.
     
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  5. bolonny Registered Member

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    perfect answer for the question.....i should have asked differently ..so to start withn in laymans terms a year ago i saw documentary that mentioned the coral castle and i got me thinking of how all the large rocks on this planet were lifted, moved, pyramids , coral castle , all of them....so i started researching starting with eds books ,then the cavity structure effect ,then magnets then electricity ,the atoms ,then it lead me to resonate sound(tesla) and now to light.....so anyhow ....................................my question you can feel the effect of a magnet through a simple wood table ,light cannot penetrate the the wood table so are magnet waves ,particles smaller than light waves, particles
     
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  7. Johenric Registered Member

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    cool question. Now I'm waiting for the answer to that too!

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  8. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    When you say 'light', you are speaking of the visible spectrum. Certainly radio wave, microwaves and all manner of more energetic photons can penetrate wood.
     
  9. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    A magnetic field will penetrate just about any material except iron and most kinds of steel. When iron or steel are close enough to the magnetic, they behave like a magnet, and this is why you feel a pull. You are feeling the magnetic force as if you were bringing two magnets together. This magnetic force is not a wave like light. It's steady--unlike the wave of light, which fluctuates very quickly over time.

    When light passes through a material, such as glass, the light is not actually passing between the molecules of glass. It's striking the outer surface of the glass molecules, giving them energy, and they are sending the energy to nearby molecules which pass the energy deeper, and so on, until the energy tries to exit on the other side of the glass. At this point--the last molecules of glass--the energy exits into the air as a light wave, and it just seems like it passed between the molecules. What really happens is that the light energy is transferred from molecule to molecule like the way a chain of dominoes falls down, one after the other.

    Glass will pass light this way, and it will pass the magnetic force because it's not iron (or steel). Wood will pass the magnetic force because it's not made of iron or steel, but it will not pass light because wood molecules don't line up like dominoes and transfer the energy from one side to the other.

    And as AlexG pointed out, the rules for photon behavior change with its wavelength, so indeed the wavelength is a very important parameter for getting the wave to penetrate a given material.
     
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    "Magnet waves" are not waves. Permanent magnet fields do not change, so there are no waves. There is a static field that penetrates most non-metallic materials pretty well.

    If you were to spin the magnet then you'd get waves; the fields would change with time and propagate outwards at the speed of light. Spinning a magnet would get you very low frequency electromagnetic fields that still penetrate things pretty well.

    You can only spin a magnet so fast, so at some point you have to switch to an electromagnet that you can "spin" by reversing the field periodically. This is a loop antenna. You can use such an antenna to transmit very high frequencies. As frequencies get higher (say around a few gigahertz) they start having trouble penetrating many materials.

    At some point you run into the limits of even a loop antenna and you have to switch to more exotic emitters, like magnetrons and even LED's. Now you are into frequencies of terahertz (including light) that almost all materials block.
     
  11. bolonny Registered Member

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    not to sound to nuts but all the research i have done so far tells me that everything is a wave and that everything is in harmony with everything else ,like a harmonic wave of some sort ...and im starting to think that electrons are light when they get going fast enough "like light speed" so can anyone disprove that protons and electrons are really north and south pole magnets?
     
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  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Maxwell's equations are a good place to start. Protons and electrons have charge; it is only by moving a charge that you get magnetic fields. Static charges do not have a magnetic field associated with them. There are a great many ways to demonstrate this.
     
  13. bolonny Registered Member

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    you have a simple flashlight batteries connect to wire wire connects to filament wow theres light"photons" yeah right they are called electrons...magnets ..ta-da now base everything off that and everything gets a whole lot simpler..
    :shrug:whats so hard to understand :shrug:
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds super simple! Think anyone will buy it?
     
  15. bolonny Registered Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYFLdCdBDk&feature=relmfu

    check out this magnetic field it doesn't look static tome you tube ... Nikola Tesla : JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment
     
  16. TAMallick Registered Member

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    No,it is not possible to smaller than light. Because light is the lowest portion or last portion of anythings.
     
  17. bolonny Registered Member

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    so i have read in alot of different places where to make light an electron is thrown out..and then it becomes a photon....and doesn't the double slit experiment prove that mass can act like light ..in a wave
     
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    bolonny,

    There are people on this forum that would get angry at me for saying this to you.

    They would probably say I was motivated by my ego, knocking what you know and treating it as less than what I know.

    Out of respect for them, I should, in all fairness not say it.

    Trouble is that they're wrong, I do not respect them nor care what they think

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    Now that I have gotten that off my chest <BREATHE!>

    You're too disorganized.

    You've apparently been reading pop sci articles and books you stumble on, excerpts from wikipedia, maybe more than a little pseudoscience...


    Stop, take a step back and breath.

    You need organization. You really could use guidance in studying your interests.
    Because as it is, it certainly appears that you have a lot of basics and principles and nonscience all jumbled up inside of your head.

    You didn't do anything wrong. Maybe you were enthusiastic... But to understand what you're interested if, you need structure, order and it's best if you have- instruction.

    A forum really is not the best place for that. It's an exchange of ideas and debates, but not an education.

    Normally, I wouldn't have even brought it up but uhhh... this thread has some really jumbled up ideas. As well as some Tesla.

    Would you be willing to take a step back and look into some fundamentals, first?
    Get to where you have understanding of the foundations upon which to build further ideas?
     
  19. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    In a nutshell, photons carry the energy exchanged whenever an electron jumps from one energy level to another. They are massless particles that propagate as waves, thus they exhibit the properties of both.

    It's not mass acting like light, but the massless particle that propagates as a wave which constitutes light.
     
  20. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Magnetic iron is induced by the way the outer most electrons of individual iron atoms are arranged in orbitals. Normally electrons with opposite spin occupy each orbital, thereby canceling their magnetic fields. With magnetic iron, electrons with the same spin occupy a separate orbitals by themselves. This results in the magnetic field multiplying instead of canceling.

    If you cut a magnetic more and more, the individual iron atoms might retain their magnetic properties, since electrons will still use the same orbitals, but each little piece of magnet, will try to lower energy causing all the magnetics to rearrange themselves so all the magnetic fields cancel. As a solid crystal, we can force the atoms to stay put, causing the magnetic fields to amplify. But if we free them, they will try to lower their energy potential.
     
  21. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The video is an excellent demo of the relationship between the magnetic field and charged particles, visible as glowing neon. If a linear magnetic field is presented to a charged particle, it will rotate as shown. The fact that there is rotation proves that the static magnetic field is linear. That is, the lines of magnetic flux present an axis of rotation for the charged particles.

    This proves a static magnetic field is present. Without it, rotation would not occur.
     
  22. bolonny Registered Member

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    first off a massless particle..particles have mass..........in the video it shows charged neon moving because of the moving magnetic field therefore its not static,still,motionless......what is a magnetic field made of small magnets,not small pieces of steel....
    E=MC so does a magnet lose mass ?
     
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