Masculinity and men

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Buddha1, Jan 2, 2006.

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  1. Roman Banned Banned

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    Your style also includes getting poked in the pooper. Why do you want my style to also involve putting things in my butt? Is it because you're a fascist?
     
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  3. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    You don't really believe what you wrote do you?

    I'm asking you (and everybody else) to re-examine our collective beliefs, values and behaviour. That is not really fascism. In fact what I'm facing from you is fascism. I get opposed by the vested interest group, not with arguments and reasoning but with accusations, harrassment and even threats.

    All I want is a sincere discussion, where things I bring up are examined with the seriousness they deserve, not to be scoffed at or put down summarily without being examined. I don't want people who can at best take offence.

    Comeon where is the openness that you westerners are so proud of.

    Like I said before, anything that is afraid of questioning is a farce. To question is not fascism.

    How are you different from an Islamic fundamentalist who doesn't want his beliefs to be questioned but wants the world to run according to those beliefs? Isn't it like might is right, and the truth may go to hell?

    That, my dear sir, is fascism!
     
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  5. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    I am serious about this discussion. If you want to just give me your opinion or to vent your feelings about what I've been saying --- by reading bits here and bits there, there is no reason why I should pay heed to anything you say. Especially, since challenging such deeply entrenched beliefs involves understanding basics afresh.
     
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    I wish all of you who don't really have any arguments to give, except to say that "Buddha is wrong" will just start ignoring me. Why do keep following every post of mine with "you're wrong", "you're wrong".

    Perhaps I'm just a mad man venting my suppressed sexual fantasies out here. If these fantasies are so outlandish as you guys claim, then no one would take me seriously in any case.

    I don't see what makes you guys get so worked up then. Why does it bother you so. When I see success it is because you let it seem so by being bothered. When you really start ignoring me, I'll take that as failure.

    After all if I were saying here that the "sun is square", and keep repeating that, you may be tempted to laugh at me once or twice but you'll leave me alone after a while. In today's world no one has the time and efforts to spend with lunatics. Or do they?
     
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  8. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    Buddha we have all given our arguments and you interestingly ignore all of them. You don't actually respond to an single relevant one, only the 'comments' you feel are derogatory or belittling to you. You are the one with tunnel vision.

    go through your thread yourself and ANSWER the evidence that has been presented that is contrary to your belief. You have not done it yet, once.

    I advised you being gay is not a problem in Uk after you were harping on about 'western culture' surpressing homosexuality etc etc. I toid you this does not exist here anymore and gay is ok, to which you made no response, you kept on that if men are straight its because western culture forces it upon their psyche.

    I think you may like to discuss this 'tunnel vision' with your therapist.
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    As TofR says, you never actually respond. For example this is still awaiting your response from another thread:

    Ok idiot child. You claim no one engages you in debate or meaningful discussion. I shall give you another chance. [Don't run crying to mama that I called you idiot child, using that as an excuse for not debating the issues. I know you are stupid. Do you want to demonstrate you are also a coward.]

    Bhudda1Darwinism tells us that life is all about surviving.
    1. If you have not already done so, please define Darwinisim as you are using the phrase. If you have already done so, please specifiy the post number or date.
    2. One year ago you had not even read any of Darwin's works. I shall presume you have rectified this. [It was a rather amusing oversight in one who chooses a thread titles "Darwin's (sic) is wrong about sexuality."] Please cite one or more passages from Darwin's work which tell us that life is all about surviving.

    Bhudda1 Another misplaced idea of Darwinism is what constitutes the ‘fittest’. As per it, only that which reproduces is fit to live.1. Please cite one or more passages from Darwin's work where fitness is expressed in this way.
    2. Please recognise that you are employing the classic strawman debating technique. You have erected a false definition (incorrectly defining fitness) which you then proceed to demolish, going on to claim that this undermines Darwinisim (whatever that is).
    3. As previously noted such an approach indicates either that you are a) very stupid, b) very poorly educated, c) very dishonest, d) some combination of the foregoing. Which is it?
     
  10. Roman Banned Banned

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    I really don't like putting stuff in my butt, yet you continue to insist that I do. Why are you telling me what I like and what I don't like?
     
  11. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    Can you point out one incidence when I said that you or anyone else likes putting stuff in their butts?

    Maybe their is a difference between what I say and how people here understand it (cultural difference?)...... but in that case, are you sure you are really trying?

    Are you sure that your own mind is completely unbiased on these things, and you have no mental blocks, social conditioning or issues of social manhood that affect your attitudes on these issues?

    After all it is an exercise to determine the truth. Because only the truth can liberate us. Me, you and everybody else.

    Maybe the truth is not quite what I contend. But how do you know unless you don't come to discuss with me with an open mind and heart.
     
  12. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    Ophiolite, I have adequate response to your rather unscientifically put points.

    Yes I'm taking time......but it doesn't mean that I'm avoiding you. Don't celebrate it as yet as your victory. If I avoid genuine queries, I'll will have no face left to continue to contend what I do.

    I don't run away. If I meet with something that is irrefutable and obviously the truth, I am man enough to accept it.
     
  13. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    No you don't.
     
  14. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Demonstrating the erroneous character of your postulates would hardly merit being called a victory. I reserve that term for things that are difficult to achieve.

    I await, patiently, your response, and welcome your commitment not to run away.
     
  15. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    Vanity, thy name is heterosexuality.
     
  16. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    Oh yeah!

    Can you tell me one such relevant argument contending my assertions that I have not answered? Don't include the one by Cole grey because I have to do some homework before replying that -- and that is taking time.

    It is interesting, why people would use belittling comments on a serious discussion topic like this. And people who are supposed to be 'scientists' and 'professors' and talk big.

    It is a reflection of the mainstream society. People are taught to deal with male same-sex sexuality with derision and intimidation. By supporting and upholding I 'naturally' attract the same treatment, in the hope of silencing my voice. Because the vested interest group has used it with impunity in the outside world.

    I pity you guys. You are dealing with me as you would with a gay man. You don't realise you don't have a chance with me --- because I'm not gay.

    Yes even though I like men, I am not gay. But you don't want to understand that because you guys are dimwitted, are comfortable with status quo, and of course because there are cultural differences.

    But cultural differences are nothing that reasonable people cannot understand.

    There just isn't any, I'm afraid. Please bring one to me and I'll accept that I need to brush up my discussion skills.

    And you call this a valid or logical refutation of my contentions.

    You are even distorting what I said. That is how low you can go.

    When did I ever say that the western culture is suppressing homosexuality. In fact there would be no homosexuality if it weren't for the west.

    I know gay is o.k. in the west. The heterosexual society needs it badly to isolate men who acknowledge their same sex needs. Heterosexuality and homosexuality are quite hand in hand with each other and both are oppressive.

    What is not o.k. are masculine bonds in the mainstream. It is an important heterosexual strategy to isolate male-male sexual behaviour into a 'homosexual' dustbin together with the members of the third-sex. And that is why you people want me to accept that I'm gay. As long as I don't do it, all your social weapons are powerless against me.

    The only time people use derogatory words without being incited is when they don't have valid things to say.
     
  17. Theoryofrelativity Banned Banned

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    Buddha you really are short sighted aren't you, you are the one stating that most men are gay 95% now you allege you are immune? What is it you want us to ebelive again?
    men can be demonstrably affectionate to other men without being gay, my ex used to hold his best friends hand (male) when walking down the street, he wasn't gay, he was arab though, and in this culture it is more acceptable to show affection this way among men, there will always be cultural differences re certain things, doesn't make it true that men prefer men though?
     
  18. Roman Banned Banned

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    Uh, you're claiming 95% of men 'need' other men. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was simply a euphimism for sodomy with another man.

    I enjoy cramming potato chips up my nose while yanking to zebra porn. Don't you? Because if you don't enjoy cramming potato chips in your nose and zebra mating, I think you aren't trying hard enough. You're just socially conditioned.

    I'll admit I have been socially conditioned to deny my cockloving nature as when you admit you like shoving potato chips into your nasal passage.

    Oh, that's it. You just don't have the balls to admit you're a fag. This is quite an elaborate psychoses you've constructed to justify your love of penis. Real men can still be gay, it's ok. Didn't you see Brokeback Mountain? Those were some rugged cocksuckers, tell you what.

    But no, you've been socially conditioned to think that being a homo means you have to shave your legs and talk with a lisp. Not all gays have limp wrists, you know. That's just social conditioning.
     
  19. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    That most men have a sexual thing for another man have been proven without reasonable doubt.

    I've included published work about animals as well as about pre-heterosexual west (as late as 1960) --- including quotes from several scientists. I have included reports from traditional societies (like Afghanistan). I have not yet come to ancient western societies like the Greeks or the pre-historic tribes (like the ones still surviving in Papa new Guinea), where most men had sexual relationships (and not just sex) with other men.

    If every man has a sexual need for another man, how can 'gayness' be a ground to classify one man from another. The only issue here then becomes that of identifying and isolating those who acknowledge their same-sex needs.

    But even in ancient Greece there was a separate category of men --- they were the transgendered males, who could just as well desire women or men.

    There is no question of my saying that there are any gays apart from the transgendered population. Only the transgendered population is comfortable with the separate identity. On masculine gendered men it is imposed forcibly by the heterosexual society.

    In traditional societies (e.g. Afghanistan) no man would ever call himself 'homosexual' even though most dig sex with men, because homosexual refers to that separate category of men --- the transgendered men.

    I have never said that I'm from the 5% population. I am not. Any fool will know that. But I'm certainly not gay. I'm from the rest of the 90% population. The other 5% of population is 'gay'.
     
  20. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    We went through this 20 times before. All your claims were rejected. Beyond reasonable doubt.
     
  21. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    I know that you are a sucker for mythical stereotypes, but comeon we are having a serious discussion here.

    You wanna get personal? I can assure you you won't like it!
     
  22. Buddha1 Registered Senior Member

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    Your rejections are not as powerful as the published evidences.
     
  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Excuse us for laughing.

    You have no published evidence. Your claims for having them was rejected. More than 20 times at least.
     
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