Masculinity and Rights, Misogyny and Violence

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Tiassa, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And personality, and charisma, and skill, and empathy.

    You can be the ugliest guy in the world. If you're a world-class climber - you are going to be sought after. If you become an actor who fills roles for ugly people - you are going to be sought after.
     
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  3. pluto2 Valued Senior Member

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    For my experience in life women only live to make your life ѕhit and to drag you down.

    No wonder that so many men are becoming misogynists.

    Men are becoming misogynists because they realise that many women are outright evil and will only date and love Chads while making the life of an ugly male very lonely and miserable.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Women are very much like men - some evil, some heroes, most basically good people. If you seek out the evil ones then that's all you will see.
    Men become misogynists because they are hateful and need a target for their hate. Women serve as well as any other target.
    Provably untrue.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Of course you do.

    Because taking personal responsibility for who you actually are is too difficult for cowards and sociopaths, so you rather blame it on "looks". Case in point:

    It has nothing to do with looks and everything to do with the creepy as fuck vibe you give off.

    Nope.

    Women have more tolerance for people who don't view us as being cattle who are there solely to please men.. aka you.

    Do you want to know why women won't come near you pluto2?

    It's because you come off like a sociopath and a creep. You are obsessed with women and sex. It has nothing to do with your physical features (ie your looks) and it has everything to do with your personality.

    Again, you are trying to pin this on looks.

    It's not about looks.

    It's about the fact that incels are creepy and are creeps who are obsessed with sex and who believe that women exist to please them and they are angry that women stay away from them. Wannabe rapists. Sociopaths obsessed with sex. And too often, murderers.

    Nothing to do with your looks. Everything to do with your attitude, your demeanour, your beliefs, your words.

    You want women to talk to you and possibly enter a relationship with you? Stop acting like a creep. Stop obsessing about sex. Stop believing that we exist solely for you to ejaculate in. Stop thinking and believing that you are entitled to our bodies. Then maybe, just maybe, if you are able to wash the stench of the incel bullshit you keep posting off of you, women might actually want to get to know you instead of running as far from you as possible and considering bleach as a means to cleanse themselves if you slither too close.

    You ever, and I mean ever, link that hate site on this site again, I'll boot you from this place. You want to know why women won't have anything to do with you? Look at the crap you are linking and reading.
     
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  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    A thread of masculine twittery↱ begins:

    A woman should always take her man's side on everything, even if she secretly disagrees with him. It's not her place to humiliate him, argue with him, bring him shame, or make him look bad in front of others. Disagreements are discussed privately. In public, you're always united.

    Don't say "and vice versa" or "this goes the other way" as if to imply equality.

    There is no equality, and you're missing a ton of nuance. And if this tweet offends you in some way, or you feel the need to correct it with some equalist notion, politely fuckoff and unfollow.

    Ideally, you maintain each other's dignity. But this is not an ideal world. Men don't "test their woman's authority" because women don't lead. A woman told off by her man too harshly is sympathised with, a man told off by his woman is ridiculed. NOT THE SAME. NOT EQUAL. GET IT?

    At this point it's probably worth reminding that he is describing a masculine and masculinist standard. In other words, it stands out when boys start screeching about their own damn rules.

    Seriously, though, the author bio explains it is his "life's work to improve the quality and character of men to ensure their might, honour and wisdom - to make men of boys and kings of men!" Within that purview, he explains to women↱, "a wife is a wife, and no matter who he may be, it's her sacred duty to make her husband look good." There comes a point at which Poe's Law might seem to apply, but, no, this sort of stuff is well within the bounds of reality for these emotionally fragile manly-men.

    There comes a point at which for malice or stupidity, there really isn't any kind assessment for this sort of attitude or rant. A manly man who cannot maintain his own merit without requiring a woman to do it for him is no proper man, or something like that. It's one of the puzzles of this masculine dependency on women. Moreover inasmuch as↱, "A woman's respectability is rooted in her sexual purity and feminine warmth", I don't know which part should we go with, the one about how maybe he should learn to fuck, or the one about wondering how much attention this brand of masculine insecurity is really worth.

    Sad thing is, dude might be hurting inside, but there's not much anyone can do for hurt he delivers unto himself. And maybe this guy isn't going to shoot the place up along the way, but this really is among the stuff we tried to ignore as much as we could until the bratty-boy masculinists started shooting up the place. It's always a weird spectacle, and generally unsettling.

    To the degree that even I weary of the term, toxic masculinity, what do we do with the idea of sickness? Calling him a sick bastard doesn't really help, but neither would he appreciate a more compassionate consideration of sickness that inherently doubts his competency.

    Still, inasmuch as one has an identity investment in the disapprobation such performances seem designed to invite, the question of being either sinister or noncompetent still erodes confidence in one's reliability.

    How is it that self-denigration is a masculine identity politic?
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    @TellYourSonThis. "A woman should always take her man's side on everything, even if she secretly disagrees with him. It's not her place to humiliate him, argue with him, bring him shame, or make him look bad in front of others. Disagreements are discussed privately. In public, you're always united." Twitter. (Thread.) 12 February 2021. Twitter.com. 18 February 2021. https://bit.ly/3byARYf
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    interesting
    you have conjured a question in my mind by your sentence
    do sociopaths take personal self accountability(not the common laymens concept, but a perspective of self perception of how they interact with their own perception of themselves, & the wider world, & other people)

    as a
    with hyper nationalism sweeping the globe & the rise of normalised functional narcissism sociopath behavior norms may become more common
    they certainly showed their primary social function in the capital riots lynch mob
    i suspect the majority of those protesters & rioter people at the capital building are borderline sociopaths

    personally i class incels the same as child predators
    they need to be permanently locked up until they have been cured
    no different to nazis & terrorists
    their only reality is to see out their reality which requires them to attack kill maim persecute & enslave other citizens to actualize their own reality as a function of normal society.
    they must by personal conviction put violence upon other citizens to create the functional process of their reality
    no different to a hallucinating person with a loaded gun walking down the street
     
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  10. pluto2 Valued Senior Member

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    Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

    So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

    I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.
     
  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Curious, why do you think men should be permitted to have certain “standards” when it comes to attraction/chemistry when dating women, but women should be made to settle for men they don’t desire? (Not all women desire the exact same qualities in a partner but it seems like you have a double standard, here.)
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Both women and men do that. You do that, for example.
    You have explained to us several times that you deserve a good looking woman and will not settle for an ugly one. So to you good looking=good, ugly=evil, and you want to be a chad.
    Only if you let them, as you do.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    you'd have a much better chance at getting a date if you didn't clearly hate women
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Says the incel who believes women owe him sex....

    Says the incel who believes he is entitled to only "beautiful women"..

    You have a choice.

    You choose to view women as sub-human who are on this planet to serve men and you believe that you are entitled to women's bodies..

    That has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with your choices in life.

    You choose to be a misogynist.
     
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  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I read recently that even Marty Feldman had a fair degree of success with women.

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    But then he was a witty and clever fellow and not, apparently, a creep.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And Steve Buscemi, and Christopher Walken, and Danny DeVito. All have had pretty good success.
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    meanwhile
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56532248
     

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