Media's False picture

Discussion in 'Politics' started by orestes, Apr 24, 2004.

  1. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    Whenever a soldier is frightened, he would shot in all the directions
    he might shot only for hearing a horn of a car
    This happens daily
    Another thing
    do you read some of the American's opinions in sicforums about what should be done to the Iraqis
    “Kill them all” “ smash their heads with our tanks” sentences like that
    is it strange that some of the American soldiers have the same opinions?

    Yazan
     
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  3. Johnny Bravo Registered Senior Member

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    fact-
    Misguided Bush war policy kills American Troops DEAD.
    900+ dead and no telling how many are just wounded (I'm guessing thousands).
    Iraq people dead- seven thousand is one number that's been reported.
    Damn, you could almost fill a mass grave with numbers like that.

    So, remove Bush and then start to clean up the mess.
     
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  5. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    What you say is right
    but at least those went to this war with their own feet, what about the other side???
    the Americans could say no
    no one can force any one to go to a stupid and unfair war
    if Bush wants their oil let him go for it by himself
    if Israel is afraid with Iraq’s policy, let it solve it's problem by it self
    my dear
    multiply the given number of dead bodies by 2 or 3 or what ever you want
    it would be much closer then the reported one
    but you know what's the main problem is?
    "Who rules whom?"
     
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  7. orestes Strategos Registered Senior Member

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    Yazan,

    You have not insulted me in any way, and for this I thank you. You are entitled to your own opinion.

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    Some of those stats could be incorrect, but I'm pretty sure at least something is being done to rebuild that country, although many will never hear of it. Why? Becasue the media, from whatever country, chooses not to report it. Your friends in Bagdad might not have felt the results of this rebuilding proccess yet, but that does not mean it is not happening at all. Give this whole situation some time, and maybe things will get better.

    Unless the U.S. completely withdraws and leaves Iraq to hell (in which case all that shite I said goes out the window) you'll see what I mean.
     
  8. otheadp Banned Banned

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    that's not an answer to the question though, is it
    and it's 700, not 900
     
  9. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    Orests:
    In the East they say if something is good it contains bad things as well, but people call it a good thing because its goodness is much much more than its badness and vice versa.
    There are some good things happened because of this war such as taking the authority from Sadam which was a real dictator.
    but the question in here is “Is the goodness of this war more than its badness?”
    Every one has his own opinion
    Like Madeline All Bright (which in some how reflects the government’s opinion)
    When asked on "60 Minutes" about the death of half a million children in Iraq - more children than died in Hiroshima, she responded " “”we”” think the price is worth it."
    But most of the Arab believe it is not.
    I’ll tell you something and I extremely hope that you would believe me
    Arab are not as most of the westerns think
    Arab are well educated people with great and unique culture
    My friend words can’t explain, it needs years and years to study little about Arab
    What I mean is
    when I tell you that Arab believe that things wont be fine in the future, believe me this opinion is based on a long experience with the US policy in the Middle East
    Arab are smart enough to figure out what’s going on in their own country

    do you believe that Bush’s administration sent all those soldiers (where many of them got killed already), spent billions of dollars and traversed the UN about this war to apply justice and peace in Iraq and to let the Iraqis to have a better life
    And nothing has to do with oil and Israel.
    If it is like that, I swear with god Bush and his friends are great saints.

    Yazan
     
  10. orestes Strategos Registered Senior Member

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    No, I don't. Oil probably had something to do with it. But think about this.
    Does the government think the war was worth the American lives and money just to get some cheaper oil, which could be aquired by other, easier means?
    On top of that, we have aggravated and strained relations with many allies over this war, to say the least.

    If Bush wanted to profit from this war, he's not getting any immediate results yet.
     
  11. Whirlwind Banned Banned

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    What part of the US media is the most "cooperative" tool of the Administration and murderous Zionist Jews?

    Why do you think people call it:

    "THE FOX JEWS NETWORK."

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    Why do you think Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wurmser and Perle - all show up on FOX first?

    Who do you think BEATS THE DRUMS OF WAR hardest - (over the Iraq, Afghanistan wars and the Occupied territories "self defense" atrocities committed by Israel's IDF on the downtrodden Palestinian's on a daily basis?) - FOX, of-course.

    Whirlwind....
     
  12. Yazan the truth is always hidden. Registered Senior Member

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    oh pleeeeeeeeeeeease
    even in the American history there were some events where some people did not care that much about the soldier’s lives in order to achieve their own purposes

    if you really don’t know the real reasons beyond this war, read these carefully
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SLI303A.html
    http://www.pressurepoint.org/Archive/Iraq/realreasonsclark.html

    I don’t agree with every thing written there
    But I do with the main idea
    And of course these are only some and there are some others

    Yazan
     
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  14. hungvu Proud American Registered Senior Member

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    The constructive things reported from this letter should not have been called "good things happening" because these things are considered "bad" to a group of people who only consider the opposite kind of news, or destructive news, such as higher number of American casulties, civilian deaths or deadly explosions, etc...to be their "good" news.

    Spearhead,
    Your link proves that most of the things reported in the letter was true but trust me on this: The group of people that I mentioned earlier will still refuse to believe anyway because these things are considered their "bad" news.
     
  15. orestes Strategos Registered Senior Member

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    I did recieve the letter from a formerly active duty soldier, who attatched it to an e-mail he sent me. He confirmed that pretty much all the information was correct (according to him).

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  16. spearhead Registered Member

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    hungvu, i agree... funny isn't it.
    seems like no matter what the reasons and what the end game will be some people just want to bash those that are in power.... it works both ways though, liberals and conservatives alike do it to the other side.
     
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  17. Johnny Bravo Registered Senior Member

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    Still think it's just 700 dead?
     
  18. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

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    © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

    BBC Accused of Bias Against Israel
    by Chris McGreal in Jerusalem

    The Israeli government has written to the BBC accusing its Middle East correspondent, Orla Guerin, of anti-semitism and "total identification with the goals and methods of the Palestinian terror groups" over a report on a 16-year-old would-be suicide bomber last week.

    CNN sources say the network has bowed to considerable pressure on its editors. Israeli officials boast that they now have only to call a number at the network's headquarters in Atlanta to pull any story they do not like.

    Natan Sharansky, Israel's minister for diaspora affairs, complained that Guerin had portrayed the army's handling of the arrest of Hussam Abdu, who was captured with explosives strapped to his chest, as "cynical manipulation of a Palestinian youngster for propaganda purposes". He said this revealed "a deep-seated bias against Israel".

    The BBC said it was looking into the complaint, the first by the Israeli government since late last year when it lifted a boycott of the corporation imposed in protest at a documentary on the Jewish state's weapons of mass destruction.

    But the letter comes as several foreign news organizations complain of increasing government pressure to curtail critical coverage or to report stories Israel believes help identify the Palestinian conflict with global Islamist terrorism.

    Officials have presented editors with dossiers on individual reporters and singled out organizations such as Sky News for allegedly having an anti-Israel agenda.

    The Tel Aviv press has called for the expulsion of correspondents from Sky, the Times and several French papers for failing to cover a story the government mobilized embassies worldwide to get into the media last month.

    In her report on Hussam Abdu last week, Guerin noted Israel's desire to gain a public relations advantage from the arrest. She described how the army "paraded the child in front of the international media", and observed that journalists had been prevented from asking him questions and therefore were left only with the army's account of the arrest.

    Mr Sharansky alleged that the BBC reporter "cast aspersions on the meaning of what transpired" that amounted to "such a gross double standard to the Jewish state, it is difficult to see Ms Guerin's report as anything but anti-semitic".

    The Israeli minister also protested at Guerin's conclusion, as the youth was forced to stand forlornly alone at the checkpoint solely for the photographers, that "this is a picture that Israel wants the world to see".

    Yet there is little doubt that the Israeli government viewed the boy's arrest as of considerable propaganda value.

    Israeli embassies urged newspapers across the globe to run the story as part of a campaign by the government to highlight the use of children as potential suicide bombers.

    A week earlier, when a 12-year-old boy, Abdullah Quran, was stopped while unwittingly carrying explosives at an army checkpoint, Israeli embassies called news editors to insist they cover the story and warn that failure to do so would be viewed as bias against Israel.

    When several news organizations failed to report it, an Israeli newspaper called for their correspondents to be expelled, including Sky's Emma Hurd and Stephen Farrell of the Times.

    The government emailed the article around the world and reproduced it on official websites.

    Gideon Meir, the foreign ministry's chief spokesman, said the criticism was legitimate. "Sky News did not cover the Abdullah Quran story but the next day, when the Israeli army targeted an Islamic Jihad terrorist with a missile, immediately Sky was on the air with seven or eight minutes of coverage," he said. "They did not cover the first story because it does not fit into the agenda the editors have."

    Last month the Israeli foreign minister, Silvan Shalom, pulled out of an interview on Sky's Sunday with Adam Boulton after the show refused to cancel an appearance by the Palestinian representative in London.

    CNN sources say the network has bowed to considerable pressure on its editors. Israeli officials boast that they now have only to call a number at the network's headquarters in Atlanta to pull any story they do not like.

    The network's former Middle East correspondent, Jerrold Kessel, who was widely respected for his informed and nuanced reporting, said that while doubtlessly there was pressure on his editors to get him to modify his coverage, he regarded it as irrelevant.

    "The less notice one takes of pressure, the less pressure one invites on oneself," he said. "If you get into a mind where the pressure is a factor, you get into the mind of worrying about what the effect of the pressure is going to be."

    © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
     
  19. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

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    well over 8,000 wounded now. anyway, there is no point in removing Bush because the next president will follow the war on terror policy also.

    and america has big plans, pakistan.korea,iran,yeman... i dont think it will actually attack Pakistan becasue of its nukes and i really doubt it would attack Iran becasue it will proabably lose. Iran has an army of several million well trained soldiers and support of the goverment. and just look at the trouble that America is having with a few gurellas with just ak47s and rpgs.
     
  20. orestes Strategos Registered Senior Member

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    What about their air force? Navy? Tank divisions? Stealth Bombers? It would be bloody, but America would win initially. ( That doesn't mean they could keep control)



    58,000 dead soldiers would be a problem(i.e. Vietnam). 800 dead is no Vietnam.
     
  21. stroppa Registered Member

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    GREAT, we are doing a bang-up job of repairing the damage we did to Iraq. You know there is something to be said for allow people to follow their own destiny instead of trying to force the world to see everything the one way.

    Oh yeah, and I'd love to have the hundreds of billions of dollars that are going to US contrators--all related one way or another to the current administration.

    Gee, Halliburton--go figure.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.
     
  22. GuessWho A Californian Registered Senior Member

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    In other words, you suggest that we do nothing. We have already made this mistake more than once and ended up with terrorist attacks then recently with 9/11. Can we at least try to avoid making this same mistake again?
     
  23. Whirlwind Banned Banned

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    Hold your breath!

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    They can't even build a democracy in Haiti across the pond and Israel is as democratic as Apartheid South Africa under Botha in the 1960's!

    Soweto = West Bank = Death = War!

    He that sows the wind, reaps the....

    Whirlwind....

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