# Medvedev - the Grand Master

Discussion in 'World Events' started by stretched, Aug 27, 2008.

1. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Hey w1z4rd,

Steady on broer, ek was self op die grens in 1980 en 1981. Ek is op dieselfde kant as jy.

Having said that, I spread my news net way wider than you may imagine. My conclusions are based on history (as yourself) and obviously the current world stage. As to your comments regarding Russian (internal) media propaganda, of course that occurs, its called rebuilding pride in the nation. To be fair if you compare Russian Media to Western Media (CNN, Fox, et al) no prizes for spotting the propaganda slut.

Invading sovereign nations based on PROVEN lies, takes heaps of propaganda.

To pack the whole shabang in a nutshell, the Russians are seizing the moment to re-establish a bi-polar world order. The lack of which created the American madness that has cost thousands of innocent civilian lives.

Me too, broer, me too.

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3. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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(Interview with Former Secretary of State Albright: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,575599,00.html )

From Madam Albright. Of course in her own backyard ...

(http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/)

Lets compare the total destruction of a sovereign nation "Iraq" with the limited military intervention to protect Russian citizens and interests. To quote a famous chef ... F@%K me!

5. ### kmguruStaff Member

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Until Russian economy reigns in top 5 economies, and projects real political power around the world, it will be considered a third world country or second world at best. Putin should first build up the country like the China is doing and then can challenge the other nations. Chinese know that and building up queitly...

Just because you have oil/gas and nuclear bombs...

7. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Think USSR. Then think Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. Then add India. And ... Soopazalabeem! you have the new World Economic Order. Its only a matter of time.

8. ### kmguruStaff Member

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That I would agree...in time...

9. ### w1z4rdValued Senior Member

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You say you base your conclusions on history... then clearly you know about the people involved in the failed KGB coupe, and clearly you can see their positions of power now. Using history again, you can see the general kinda leaders Russia chooses.

Im not saying Putin is weak. He is bloody strong and a million times smarter than Bush.. which is why he is deadly. Start including financial deals with Gazprom, and start researching how Putin took control of Russias finances with the aid of his FSB buddies.

Seems like anyone in power who doesnt give the FSB control of their company end up in prison by selective use of tax evasion laws.

Working countries dont kill their journalists, they have working democracies. Putin knows that what he has taken by force can not be held with democracy. If Russia loses its enemies, Putin no longer has a job.

He cant afford that to happen. As for building a country.. thats simply not a good enough reason mate. Very real lines can be drawn between Hitler and Putin, the Russians and the Germans.

Like Hitler, Putin had a nation that had lost its pride. Like Hitler, Putin has resurrected a failed economy, like Hitler, Putin has started rebuilding his armies, like Hitler the russians have an extreme youth movement going (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4491633.stm), like Hitler, the use of propaganda by the Russians and what it has achieved so far is used to build the nation.

This is not idle line drawing, this is very real and happening now. This whole who invasion of Georgia doesnt remind you at all about Hitlers annexation of Austria and his desires for the Sudetenland? Surely man....

Luckily as South Africans know.. Russian hardware is kak. If french mirages could kick the ass outta their MiGs back in the day, F22s will make mince meat outta the weapons they have today.

How can this be good? Seriously now, give me reasons why Russia having this power, and abusing it is good. ITS BAD!!!!!! For every "good" reason you may come up, bet I can come up with 10 that are bad. Common man.. theres no critical thinking here at all.

I do know by your posts, that you do not have enough information on the background to Putin, the failed KGB coupe, the people involved in it, and the last 5 years of Gazprom's shenanigans.. I really think you should read up more.

This is not good for anyone. Putin needs a war to stay in power. He knows this.

Personally.. I hope EU/US forces actually finish the job. We need no more Hitlers, Stalins or Mugabes in the world.

You need to get over your hard on for Bushs politics.. and see Russia for what it is. Ill also remind you that Russias support of Mugabe has lead to thousands killed as well.. and hundreds of thousands tortured and beaten. Ill also remind you that Russians are corrupting the ANC, and the ANC are selling them massive tracts of South African land and South African business in under the table deals. Russians.. not Americans.. are helping destroy South Africa. The US actually gave SADC nations 4 billion rand. The Russians gave violent groups more weapons. Priorities man.. priorities...

Just so I can understand your hypocrisy? Why are you not in arms about China in Sudan? Or what they are doing in Tibet? Why are you not in arms about how Russia is in Chechnya? (were thousands more people have died?). Or are you perhaps bias?

Ill say a be fk you to anything to do with the Russian government. They are scum, and so are their supporters.

Though I wont disagree too loudly in their country. I dont wanna be radioactively poisoned

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10. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Hi W1za4d,

Fair enough. I can see where you are coming from. Unfortunately the US has not been choosing notably more moral or less bloodthirsty leaders. Waterboarding is all the rage today.

The present US administration are up to their necks in insider dealing. Who benefits financially from the Iraq (to name just one) war? Who owns these companies?

He he. You are out of touch broer.
from: Raiding Democracy in St. Paul http://counterpunch.org/cohn09022008.html

I understand the (patently obvious) similarities, but dont you think Russias Eastern neighbor would counter balance major imperial objectives? Now is not the time. The future? Cant tell yet.

The facts support an (American inspired) Georgian assault on a civilian South Ossetia. The western media hypocritically and fraudalenty misrepresented the facts.Russia used limited force to protect its interests. Are you seriously questioning the obvious tension US and NATO meddling in former Soviet nations is creating? Russia is being systematically surrounded by the US and NATO. What happened in Georgia was just the bear growling, and reasserting his territory. And rightly so. What the f@%k is the US and Israel doing in a nation thousands of miles away from their frikkin borders? And when it came to the crunch, Georgia got dropped just like SA did in 1978/9. The only visible imperialistic initiatives are coming from the US. And unfortunately, the recent and not so recent US track record speaks for itself.

He he. No shit.

Critical thinking 101.

Post cold war.
1. Russia has yet to abuse this power.
2. The US has been abusing this power steadily and increasingly.

Fair enough, I will swot up on this.

Then why do the Bushes, Reagans and Thatchers put the fear of god into me?

He he. Bush giving me a hard on. Now THAT is sick.

I see your point. On the other hand sanctions against the old SA did not help. Depends on the fashion of the day.

Simply put. Tibet is a regional Chinese issue. Chechnya is a regional Russian issue. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, et al are NOT regional American issues. I need to swot up on China/Sudan. I oppose any type of imperial meddling which leads to innocent people suffering.

It seems you have a bit of a HORING for Putins politics.

Or commit suicide when you are about to disclose that Iraq had no WMDs?

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11. ### w1z4rdValued Senior Member

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Streched mate... lol. Seriously. This post is about Russia, the fact that you are trying to justify their actions against that of the US.. shows you.. something must be wrong.

12. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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I recall you were pro Russian a while back. What happened?

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14. ### w1z4rdValued Senior Member

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While there could be something behind this death. You cant compare it with whats happening in Russia where even webmasters are being killed.

Come on man. Compare apples with apples, not applies with oranges. You need more information. Seriously you do.

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FYI, "Pravda", the above newspaper's name, translates to "Truth".

Imagine a newspaper named "Truth". If that's not Orwellian, I don't know what is.

16. ### OilIsMasteryBannedBanned

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The Pawn is trying to corner the energy market. Abiotic exploration principles coupled with the use of force.

17. ### whitewolfasleep under the juniper bushRegistered Senior Member

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Ah, Pedvedev and Mutin...

18. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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No shit.
That is a newspaper name. This is reality, Orwellian reality. Western Orwellian reality. Ne nervous. Be very afraid:
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ited-councils-spy-neighbours-drop-litter.html)

and this:
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...orism-laws-used-to-spy-on-noisy-children.html)

and this:
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4703054.ece)

and this:
(http://www.counterpunch.org/lisnoff09082008.html)

and this:
(http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/significant-new-information-details-cia/story.aspx?guid={FBC51EE0-675F-4C4B-9FB1-DBA2CBE39FE1}&dist=hppr)

So what truth are we talking about?

19. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Are you talking about US foreign policy? Sounds like the US Iraq/Iran expedition.

20. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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w1z4rd

Can you supply some substantiation?

21. ### maxpayneRegistered Member

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Look Bro this is stupid Game that Boten play with the rest of the whole world
Medvedev is Just a dummy or something like bravan and the big boss man or the controller head of Russia is Boten he just play from behind of his back to convince the whole world with the democracy and this stuff with what Russia had and how he left his postion with his will and without any forcing from outside and without lengthen his period in ruling but i know he is still the president and Medvedev is his mask or toy he play with it in front of the world but who can be fool with that man ??

22. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Sanity is starting to prevail. So the Western Media was either misinformed, or distorting the truth. What else is being distorted?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623555.stm

23. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Obviously its OK for America to enter sovereign states at will. What a frikkin shambles the US is in. Double standards willy nilly. Come back John Wayne all is forgiven.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7623332.stm