Men never set their feet on the Moon

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  1. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    No but it is the ONLY way you are going to pick up a noise like that!

    Bullshit. So a sound of something so flimsy goes through air, his spacesuit and triggers a close proximity microphone? You know absolutely nothing about the microphones they used - it is a close proximity mic fixed to a snoopy cap. You'd maybe pick up arm vibrations because it is connected to the head, but you would pick up absolutely zero from outside the suit.

    Anyway, are you now suggesting they did all the vocals in real time?(answer please) These clips this lying film maker is using are all from very long periods of constant footage - so that is one amazing feet of extended "natural acting"!

    No. It kind of looks like you are trying to find ridiculous explanations to support your pathetic claim. It is impossible to pick up sound that far away on a cardioid microphone with close proximity and through a bloody space suit. Especially something so flimsy

    Show me where they are banging something into the ground on the ISS spacewalk footage!

    Not externally.

    That is such a stupid thing to say. There is no mix. We hear vibrations when the circumstances are favourable for it.

    How do you know anything in that stupid film isn't doctored!?

    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1205113.rm
    1 min 38 seconds. Now speed it up, because you claim it is slowed down to 66% that is one hefty throw for such a small arm movement - look how fast the damn thing is going! It's microphonics, the sound is conducted through the hull and wiring into the LM relay - simple and the only way you could ever pick sound up in that situation.
     
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  3. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Please point out the time marks of the alleged doctoring.

    I'd have to compare it to the original NASA footage but that can be doctored too so I guess there's no way to determine it.

    I'm not going to take your word for it. I'm not going to rule out the sound being picked up by the microphone in his suit until I see it proven somehow.

    So you maintain that the hoax-believer added the sound to his video. Is that right?

    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. As far as I can tell it's just video footage with audio. If you think it's been manipulated, explain how.

    As I said before, I'm not just going to take your word for it.

    You're being deliberately obtuse. At the 43:50 time mark he uses a power drill and the sound isn't picked up by his microphone. It's not an exact comparison but it's close enough to see the difference in the physics.

    I can't get this to open.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Given that the LEM astronauts regularly talked to mission control (and the Command Module) there is a very simple way to verify that there was a microphone inside the LEM.

    Was there any voice communication? Yes? Then there was a microphone.

    Again - THINK McFly!
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The same time where you suspect the anomaly happened. It would be very easy to insert a few "bumps in the night".

    I still suspect it was a sudden exhalation of breath into the microphone, while exerting himself. That little popping sound, I'm sure you have heard before when speaking into a very sensitive microphone.
    Exactly, so the overwhelmong evidence remains with NASA and the thousand of scientist who witnessed and/or helped facilitate the event.
     
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  8. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Have you watched the video until the 52:40 time mark? What he says about the noise in background makes sense. He also points out that, according to the checklist, the other microphones had been stowed prior to the EVA. I know that isn't proof that they didn't do something different but that's circumstantial evidence that points to the microphone in the suit being the one that picked up the sound.

    You said there were some clear cases of doctoring. Let's hear some detail.

    They didn't all have to be in on it. Start watching the video at the 15:50 time mark.


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    I still want to hear your comments on why the sound of the power drill the space station astronauts were using didn't get picked up the way you said the sound of the Apollo astronauts' hammering got picked up.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    They are indicated in the broadcast as "simulations" by various agencies, due to lack of cameras on the surface and inability to record the event from a surface POV .

    That doesn't mean the tape was doctored to mislead the viewer, but to clarify the chronology of the landing.
     
  10. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Can you link to something? I want to see an clear case of doctoring.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Post # 58

    @ 19.52 There is a clear warning that what is shown is a CBS NEWS simulation.
     
  12. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    You said this...

    ...then I said this...

    ...and your answer is this?
    If you don't give a serious answer, it's kind of going to look like you've been caught in a lie and you're tap dancing around and hoping I forget about it.


    I'm still waiting for somebody to address this.

     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It was doctored, no? They did warn us it was, so as not to be accused of conspiracy to deceive.
    The sound did not come from the drill or the hammering. It came from inside the spacesuit or from the LM's hull.

    You keep insisting it came from the outside by mere speculation that there must have been a conspiracy to deceive.
     
  14. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    This is just more tap dancing. You said there were some clear cases that showed that the footage in the video I posted (post #47) had been doctored. Well, I want to see them. Please point them out. Post the time marks of the alleged cases of doctoring in the the video and explain what they are.

    You know this is not the answer to my question (bottom of post #65). If you don't give a serious answer, it will kind of look like you're checkmated.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No I did not say that. I was referring to the video I showed in post # 58.
    I gave you a serious answer, you just refuse to accept it.

    "There can be only ONE explanation, CONSPIRACY!" Do you even understand what you are saying?
    And please don't use a term like "checkmate" unless you can play chess and know how to analyze optional moves.

    You are beginning to sound like a covid pandemic denier, where an entire segment of the population claims it is a conspiratorial hoax and refuses to get vaccinated.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1205113.rm
    It's a video file. If you have VLC player it will load (check bottom left of page).

    You may have to wait a few seconds for it to load and then you need to "open the file".
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Here is one official version.
     
  18. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    This is the behavior of a checkmated sophist*. When they're checkmated, they tap dance around and try to muddy the waters. Objective truth-seekers don't get checkmated. They modify their opinion when they see they're mistaken.


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    https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html
     
  19. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Stop stalling and address the issue I asked you to address (bottom of post #65).
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Clearly you do not understand the term checkmate. It means the game is over. There are no legal moves left to avoid capture of the King.
    By your own admission, this game is not over yet, and therefore the term checkmate is premature and inappropriate.

    You have not shown any evidence that contradicts the launch and moonlanding. So for you to claim that you have checkmated the entire event is ridiculous.

    The entire affair was faked? Are you serious? If so, you are in serious trouble......

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  21. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    This is a classic example of "Hand-waving"*.

    There are two issues that I've repeatedly asked you to address. Both can be seen in post #69.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/men-never-set-their-feet-on-the-moon.164403/page-4#post-3680475

    If these two issues have you cornered, you are checkmated. If you're not cornered, address them instead of tap dancing around them.


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving
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    Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is most often applied to debate techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the glossing over of details.[2] It is also used academically to indicate unproven claims and skipped steps in proofs (sometimes intentionally, as in lectures and instructional materials)
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    Handwaving is frequently used in low-quality debate, including political campaigning and commentary, issue-based advocacy, advertising and public relations, tabloid journalism, opinion pieces, Internet memes, and informal discussion and writing. If the opponent in a debate or a commentator on an argument alleges hand-waving, it suggests that the proponent of the argument, position or message has engaged in one or more fallacies of logic,[2] usually informal, and/or glossed over non-trivial details,[2] and is attempting to wave away challenges and deflect questions, as if swatting at flies.
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is this thread about me or the moonlanding?
    Do you want hand waving?

    Bye, bye..........

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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A "stowed" microphone still works just fine. It's just in its stowed position.
     
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