# Michael Anteski's Ether model

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Michael Anteski, Feb 19, 2017.

1. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Your example of using sound waves presents a conceptual problem to me.
Your ether seems to be the closest one can come to a total vacuum. This is a real problem in the propagation of sound waves. They don't propagate in a vacuum at all.

In common everyday speech, speed of sound refers to the speed of sound waves in air. However, the speed of sound varies from substance to substance: sound travels most slowly in gases; it travels faster in liquids; and faster still in solids.

For example, (as noted above), sound travels at 343 m/s in air; it travels at 1,481 m/s in water (almost 4.3 times as fast as in air); and at 5,120 m/s in iron (almost 15 times as fast as in air). In an exceptionally stiff material such as diamond, sound travels at 12,000 metres per second (39,000 ft/s)[1]—about 35 times as fast as in air—which is around the maximum speed that sound will travel under normal conditions.

So if you are proposing that the ether is a near vacuum, sound waves won't travel anywhere or produce harmonics, let alone produce "lift" in massive objects.

How does your ether deal with "gravitational waves"?

3. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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5. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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You don't appear to have assimilated my ether model in full. -It never stated anywhere that the ether is a "vacuum." You appear to be applying our concepts, from observing quantum phenomena, and inserting it into my ether model. -If you go back to the beginning of my model, and to how I describe the formation of a universal ether, it was formed when elemental localities of original space reciprocally oscillated, then the oscillations transitioned to independent vibrations. This would picture the ether as massless elemental units which vibrate, and where tiny "empty" portions of space exist between the units, to allow for the vibrations. Only after the ether formed, did quantum units and quantum forces superimpose themselves (and with creation of our universe, were intentionally placed) upon this universal ether matrix. Observing how we see quantum forces act, such as relative to any "vacuums" they may encounter, would have no bearing on this model of the underlying ether.

As for gravitational waves, there again you try to take theories quantum physics (which still is in denial of any sort of ether) uses for their observations of a cosmological phenomenon, and ask for a discussion of how my ether model would account for it. -That is asking a lot. -Physics assumes that gravity waves arise from ultra-dense bodies like black holes. -Here, there is a basic conflict with how my ether model looks at cosmic forces. The ether model would have to become complex to try to fully deal with your question, but I will mention just one part of it. -First of all, my ether model looks at black holes as being created by creational Entity(s), in order to to shunt antimatter away from quantum matter being created, and so as to remove the antimatter so it does not interfere with the new quantum matter. (In my model, while the horizon portions of black holes often show violent interactions with the surroundings, indicating they contain quantum matter, my creation-model for black holes would have it that the inner cores of black holes are made of antimatter. The ordinary matter reacts with that in the horizon-zone.

Trying to go any deeper into this, at this point in time, would have no point. Right now, physics does not even accept that an ether exists.

7. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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Summarizing the most basic points of my Ether Model.

For an ether to be pervasive, it would have to be universal, and to have had a formational first-cause. As to first-cause, the only possible universal substrate had to be Original Space. My model is that first- space was very self-compatible, being free from everything else, such as energic forces. This kind of universal space could well have been oscillational, with ultimately-tiny (elemental) point-localities reciprocally oscillating. Eventually, pairs of juxtaposed "points" fell toward each other, due to oscillatory fatigue, in Yin-Yang fashion These pairs would have had to reversibly revert to singleton "points," equilibrationally, which broke the perfect symmetry of the oscillation, so that instead of reciprocally oscillating, independently-vibrating elemental ether units were produced. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.)

I claim that this is the only kind of Model that can rationally account for quantum entanglement (Q.E.) - In Q.E., when two closely-related quantum units are separated, changes in one of the two quantum units induces changes in the other one (see Wikipedia, "Quantum Entanglement") My model is that this occurs because the two quantum units are connected with each other via an underlying intervening ether matrix, that the quantum units contain "building block: elemental units, and that the ether matrix between them also contains identical elemental ether units.

The nature of the connection would be represented by a packet of elemental ether units, a packet forming a linear-transmission of elemental units through the ether matrix, that are interacting via a vibratory-contact mechanism, and all the units having the same vibratory pattern.

8. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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So, how does your ether hypothesis avoid the conclusion from the Michelson–Morley experiment ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

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How though , how would space oscillate independent of energy and matter ?

Does space exist independent of energy and matter then ?

I thought of this as a possibility , but couldn't figure out how .

Does space come first ?

Energy and matter can not exist or manifest without space ( Room ) .

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10. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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The Michelson and Morley Experiment (MMX) and its successors got negative results for the existence of an ether, but their theoretic assumptions failed to include one key factor. (MMX measured the behavior of beams of light (i.e., they were measuring the behavior of visible units of light, which are quantum energy units - photons) by comparing how their behavior changed in reference to different gravitational settings.) However, a key assumption of theirs was that any type of ether would be acting as "the medium" for the transmission of the light beams they were measuring. - According to my Ether Model, though, the elemental units of the ether are so minuscule (having been formed first as ultimately-tiny "elemental" units) these ether units would be much, much smaller than quantum photons, and therefore there could be no inertial interface between the photons and the elemental ether units, so the ether could not act as a "medium" for the transmission of the light beams they were measuring. (My ether model also claims that the ether follows a vibratory type of energic dynamics, whereas photons and visible light behave according to quantum mechanisms, another factor that would prevent the light beams interacting with the ether.

While it's true that photons are seen to exist profusely in visible beams of light, according to my ether model, those photons are being generated by the underlying ether units aligning and entraining into larger energy units, from the energy of the transmission.

11. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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To me, and I think a lot of other people, space had to come first, before anything else could have come into existence. -In my Ether Model, space changed when that original, or "pure," space transitioned from point-like oscillations to point-like etheric vibrations. This model is described above. In my ether model, space now contains the ether, as massless units of energy. There would also have to be very-tiny "empty" portions of space between the ether units, to allow them to vibrate. (Parenthetically, these very tiny empty portions of space would be the key to explaining gravity, as arising from a "tightening" of the ether between solid bodies, when the ether gets energized and aligns and entrains, instead of vibrating randomly. The space between the ether units then tightens up, drawing two bodies toward each other.)

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But How could space come first ? Michael . Before energy and matter .

That is ultimately what you need to explain .

13. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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river,

In my model of ether, I should not "need to explain matter," because (if you check my model above), the ether consists of massless energy units (having been formed from original space.)

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These mass less energy " points " is a problem Michael .

How do mass less points , vibrate ?

For me you can't have points that are mass less but at the same time vibrate .

I don't follow the logic . Nor the reasoning .

Ether exists I agree . I just disagree with your concept of ether .

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15. ### river

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To my thinking Space expands because of the Magnetic Field .

The Magnetic Field expands Space .

Ether is Dark energy , because Dark Energy has yet to form into Dark Matter .

Hence Dark Energy is pervasive , it is everywhere . A Chiral Condensate .

16. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 71 years oldValued Senior Member

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I was under the impression energy was a property of mass via

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass–energy_equivalence

Also do these massless energy units have a
• method of formation (having been formed from original space) ie what kick starts the formation
• each have a single value (ie all are 20 watts) or
• variable (some 20 watts some 2,000,000 watts)
• have a dimensionless size or
• various dimensionless sizes
• dependant on wattage or dimensionless space available

17. ### river

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Mass has energy , from heat .

Energy also comes from speed . The greatest speeds come from extreme cold .

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Sorry river, I failed to notice your following nonsense.....
Mass and energy are equivalent as per E=Mc2.....
Speed has nothing to do with cold. That is pseudoscientific nonsense.

19. ### river

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You have no understanding pad what I'm saying .

The less friction , the faster things can go . Speed , Matters . Even the Space Station knows that .

The tiniest thing can penetrate the station , through speed .

Which means that mass energy can and does exceed its mass potential .

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20. ### Michael AnteskiRegistered Senior Member

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Analogizing my ether model with the concepts of quantum mechanics is a misinterpretation of how my model says the ether works. Quantum systems operate via waves, fields, spin, and vectors. We perceive light visually because the photons associated with transmission of light react with our atomically-structured eyes. My model says that, nonetheless, the ether, which we are not able to detect, comes first, and that there is an underlying ether which operates via vibratory dynamics. If, for example, you consider how a beam of light is transmitted, in my model, it is initiated by an energy source - say the sun or a flashlight bulb. This starts a process in the ether matrix which transmits a continuous transmission of elemental ether units which interact via a vibratory-contact mechanism. These ether units share the same vibratory pattern, and conduct the transmission of this light-beam-type pattern, through the ether, as the primary, underlying, light-transmission. This etheric impulse, in addition to representing the primary transmission, transmits its high energy level, which arose from the original source (sun or light bulb), which passes, associated with the ether units, through the matrix, and induces the elemental ether units in the transmission to generate larger and larger units, as the tiny elemental units increasingly align and entrain, due to the energy. That is how large numbers of quantal photons are generated and appear in the light-transmission.

The models of quantum physics are wrong. Photons don't trace out the light beam by themselves, or produce inertial-vectors that travel through space.

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Quantum has also a physical reality to it , hence why , waves , spin and fields exist .

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I have no understanding of gobbledydook either river.

But that's not what you said. You gave a gobbledyook version, thus
Teaching Granny to suck eggs again river?

We call that momentum river, measured as a result of its mass times its velocity.