Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Michael Anteski, Feb 19, 2017.
I do not accept begining . Energy/ matter , and Life has always been .
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But you cannot prove it, can you?
I can . And have done many times . Those that know me know this .
C'mon river, the greatest minds have not been able to prove anything before the beginning. We do know there was a beginning of this universe. We do have evidence of that event 13.8 billion years ago.
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I find the term "younger" very curious in this context.
They can't prove a beginning because there wasn't a beginning .
The Universe , Energy and Matter is heat based . My Universe also includes Absolute Zero , speed energy of matter . Superconductivity . Viscocity of zero . Kinetic Energy . The speed of a meteor at extremely high speeds . 20,000 miles per hour and more . Because of the speed has alot more energy than the same mass at 5miles per hour .
The heat to cold to heat to cold ....a cycle , which never ends .
So you are saying mainstream science is just flat wrong? We do know there was a beginning of this universe, we have evidence of a beginning.
But you cannot prove anything before the BB at all. That would be pure speculation and not even founded on any knowledge at all. We just don't know.
I have my idea of an instantaneously imploding timeless nothingness into a singularity, but I hesitate to even mention it because what was before the BB is unknown.
Purdy much .
A beginning to this Universe makes no sense . A beginning means there is an end . Follow that through . Which leads to nothing . Nothing is literally that nothing . Nothing can not begin something .
How do we know this? I know it sounds logical, but this is virgin territory as far as humans are concerned.
Quantum itself is weird and there are several other phenomena that defy human logic. Rest assured, I am as disturbed by this as anyone. I believe in a mathematical universe where everything follows deterministic processes.
Without consistency there is no Universe . Galaxies , Stars , Planets etc would have difficulty just existing .
I know you do ; and you are right as far as energy and matter are concerned . But Not Life .
For any new viewers: This page is mainly just a dialogue between river and Write4U. The most recent "Michael Anteski Ether Model" material is on the preceding page 15, bottom half of page.
Which is just the confused talking with the uniformed.
Which is just one confused and uniformed person.
It is all pseudoscience garbage anyway.
Thanks for that gratuitous ad hominem. At least river and I are having a civil conversation.
If you have nothing positive to contribute, it is you who is delinquent in spirit and execution.
So put up or shut up, please.
My Ether Model would treat the mysterious findings (called "quantum uncertainty" in physics) in the well-known 2-slit experiment, as really being due to an indirect "scattering" effect coming from etheric "entangled" components within the forces emanating from the instruments being used to do the experiment. -The instruments would be shielded against any interference with the experiment due to quantum forces coming out of the instruments, but not shielded against unsuspected indirect, or "scattered," etheric radiations that are generated along with the quantum forces. - Thus, unsuspected effects, of etheric forces "entangled" with the quantum forces, would "mysteriously" skew results observed from the manipulations done as part of the 2-slit experiment.
To illustrate how my Ether Model would view etheric radiations becoming "entangled" with quantum forces as we observe them, and causing this "scatter" effect, consider how, when a flashlight is turned on at night, there is some degree of illumination seen even behind the flashlight. (In my Model, there are etheric radiations, having a photonic vibratory pattern, coming from the flashlight, which become "entangled" with, and thus "tuned on" to the area behind the flashlight, because there are always some ambient photonic forces in an area, even after sunset.)
You could compare the logic of my new way of looking at the 2 slit experiments, with my model for quantum entanglement, and see how it all fits together.
Quantum entanglement represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in that phenomenon, with the "entangled" quantum units being kinetically "walled off," like cool "arms" of a quiet, purring, universal ether mechanism. A way to think of the overall situation is that the ether is an underlying universal matrix, composed of true "elemental" force-units.
If an underlying ether exists, it would have to be universal, and therefore had to have arisen first-causally. My Ether model proposes that in the beginning, all that existed was original space, and that being "pure" in nature, first-causal space was so self-compatible that there were ultimately-small ("etheric") point-localities that were reciprocally oscillating, in a perfectly pure way. Then this oscillation transitioned to a universal ether in which the etheric "points" became vibrational, interacting with each other via contact-vibration.
Next followed an "ether world," in which the highly-rarified ether units fluxed and radiated, and interacted with each other. This eventually produced alignments and linear entrainments of the ether units into larger and larger units, up to the size of quantum units and atoms. Quantum bodies, or moieties, appeared, and eventually, a sapient Entity appeared. Following this, a quantum universe (ours) was created, for better magnetic stability than had existed in the preceding ether world.
Now there was a quantum world where there existed both an underlying ether matrix, and a superimposed quantum world whose quantum units had all been formed via entrainments of ether units. All the quantum units would retain the ability to connect to the ether via vibration, in addition to their quantum dynamic of spin, waves, distance vectors, and so on.
The model of quantum entanglement given above follows logically from this overall model. So does the new model given above for the controversial 2-slit experiment results.
For some reason, this sounds like a tortured model of the Bohmian Pilot Wave Theory.
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(a) A walker in a circular corral. Trajectories of increasing length are colour-coded according to the droplet’s local speed (b) The probability distribution of the walker’s position corresponds roughly to the amplitude of the corral’s Faraday wave mode.
The pilot wave theory is a hidden-variable theory. Consequently:
the theory has realism (meaning that its concepts exist independently of the observer);
the theory has determinism
Is Bohm's Pilot Wave a disturbance of the Ether?
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Your question cites conventional quantum observations and data. My Ether Model, of course, has a fundamental disconnect with all "there is no ether" theories, and my Model also interprets their data differently, which only considers what is observed to stem from quantum forces. This makes for a very-basic disconnect with my model, which claims that all quantum forces are secondary to, and superimposed upon, an unseen underlying universal ether matrix, which represents the true primary initiator of all phenomena. My problem trying to promote this model is that only the secondary forces observed as quanta are able to be seen by us. -I'll answer your question as to "Bohm's Pilot Wave" in terms of how my Ether Model views the mechanism of how all quantum waveforms are generated by underlying ether.
In my Ether Model, wherever there exists an energy gradient between two points, or loci, the underlying ether matrix (which is composed of vibrating ether units, interacting in close approximation to each other) "feels" the new differential gradient between the two points, producing a transmission of energy forces from the stronger point to the weaker one, composed of vibrating ether units that have the same vibratory pattern. -In the case of a light beam, the ether units involved would have a photonic type vibrational pattern.
Larger energy units, such as quantum photons, would be generated all along this transmission, as energic, linear, vibrations align the ether units, causing them to entrain with each other, which forms larger and larger units, up to the size of quantum photons. -The overlying quantum-scale units that we observe then react in the form of waves. -As the energic impulse impinges on a zone where the ether units are in a comparatively "quiet," un-energized vibratory state, their vibrations are stimulated, and then align, so that larger units such as photons are formed, and we observe a rising quantum waveform. This cascade of energy then reaches an apex, the peak of the wave, and as the number of energized ether units winds down, the wave form descends, to the nadir seen with quantum waveforms.
Not really. Are you familiar with the "Pilot Wave"model ?
We can test this.
In your model do particles have the dual particle/wave properties? If so your model does not correspond with Bohmian mechanics. If your particles are always particles, then your theory corresponds with Bohmian mechaniscs
My ether model was derived from a cosmic first-causal model, in which original space point-oscillated, which then transitioned to a universal ether matrix composed of ultimately-rarified, or "elemental," etheric units, which interact with each other via contact vibrations (rather than reciprocally oscillating.) I have presented this cosmic model in previous threads. - In this model, a second, or "ether world," ensued in which etheric forces were radiating, and were forming larger and larger energy units, where their vibrations aligned with each other, producing entrainments into larger and larger energy units, up to the size of quantum units and atoms. Within this ether world, quantum bodies, or moieties, were formed, and one of them became a sapient Entity. Following this, a quantum world (ours) was created, by projecting quantum electrons toward a "virgin" ether region, which produced our world of quantum forces and atoms, chain-reactionally.
That is how my model views the way our quantum/atomic world, with dynamic processes involving processes like waves, directional vectors, and so on, became superimposed upon an underlying ether matrix.
In your last post, you tried to correlate the mechanics of Bohm's waves with my ether model. The two involve different dynamics, so it won't work. -The basic concept of my Ether Model is that the ether dynamic (involving the central role of ether units interacting via vibratory contact) is the primary initiator in all energic phenomena, with quantum forces appearing reactively and secondarily.
Let me rephrase the question.
Is your Ether model dynamical or invariant (static) as in the Lorentz aether model.
Actually that does not sound too far removed from my own "intuitive" model.
My "singularity" model is derived from a first-causal model, in which the original space point singularity is the result of an instantaneous collapse of "nothing", and that this dynamic action formed an energetic point-like singularity that expanded @ FTL, until the created energetic plasma space cooled off sufficiently and the mathematics of Logical physical evolution emerged and the self-formation of the gravitational patterns of various densities, which formed the galaxies and everything in them.
In my world, pure energy does not have to be matter until a certain density of pattern emerges to exert a kinetic dynamism.
The equation "E = Mc2 ", is not a physical equation, it is a value equation, a mathematical function.
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