Military Events in Syria and Iraq Thread #4

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Yazata, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not blame - identified participation, dominant culture, etc etc.
    The Russians were communists, in the Soviet Union.
    Yep. Among other problems.
    Utopias are always unavailable. What the attempts to impose them make available is never the least evil.
    So no responsibility for what he is actually doing. Unsurprising.

    The Syrians will not have the luxury of ignoring what Putin is doing for a long time.
     
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  3. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Some Russians were communists, together with some Georgians, Ukrainians, and so on.
    In this sense, libertarianism is not utopian.
    Makes no sense. I evaluate what he is doing, and find he is doing most of the time quite good things. It does not follow that I have to support everything he is doing and take some responsibility for everything he is doing. For those things which he is doing which I support, I accept some moral responsibility.

    As far as I can see, most of the Syrians support what Putin is doing in Syria.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    any ideology that ignores reality and pulls random shit out of its ass is inherently utopian. Since all libertarian ideas generally come from someones rectum yes its an utopian fantasy
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And the Russian ones provided the language, the capital city, the major support behind the political structure, the military and police muscle, the scientific and technical progress (those elite universities did their share), and so forth.
    Yours is. "Reputational" enforcement of contracts against the rich and powerful? Even Harry Potter carried a wand, for his magic tricks.
    Your famous eyesight, again. Compared with what? Most of them probably supported Assad in the first place - consider the penalties for not supporting him. And Pinochet, once he had power. Hussein. Most Russians supported Stalin, for that matter. So?
     
  8. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    You overestimate the role of the Russians. There has been some other nationality which played a very important role in Soviet science, much higher than their part of the population. The Russians have had a lot of intelligent people too, but there has been also a lot of non-Russians in those elite universities.
    Of course.
    So you have simply made another cheap propaganda comparison of Assad with some bad guys. That means, business as usual.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Showing that "support" does not imply a good guy. You implied it did, which was a false implication (and a cheap propaganda schtick, of course - but you knew that).
    The language, the capital, the centers of economic and military power and control, the centers of science and engineering, the government overthrown to gain power - all Russian.
    The Bolsheviks did not gain power by overthrowing the Tsar of Ukraine.
    Why would they allow that? Utopian, as noted before.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.juancole.com/2018/10/baghdad-elections-frustrated.html
    Iran wins another one - its influence in Syria will also solidify.
     

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