misogyny

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by mathman, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not interested in discussing abortion in this thread, that's not why I posted that comment. My intent was to show you that you're all for ''women's rights'' as long as they fit with your ideals. If they don't, then you feel that as a guy, you have the right to tell a woman how to live her life. (ie abortion)

    You're the same person posting in this thread, as you are in the abortion thread. FWIW - I'm just encouraging you to see how your opinions contradict themselves.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Those two things are not necessarily contradictory. It may appear so to you, but only because you don't see the nuances.

    It's not easy to explain it without dredging up the abortion debate, but I could provide a far more hypothetical example as food for thought.
     
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  5. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, well...it's contradictory to me.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do you want to hear my hypothetical example?
     
  8. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, sure.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Rights, in general, are not sacrosanct. You've got to grant that women (or anyone) don't have the right to do anything they want.

    A woman does not have the right to take my wallet and extract all the money out of it, for example.
    So, rights do have limits, usually when it bumps into someone else's rights.

    (This is not meant to be a rigorous analogy. Don't start making detailed comparisons; I'm simply getting you to grant that personal rights have fuzzy boundaries.)

    At the risk of speaking for Bowser, it is apparent that he is of the mind that women have every right, up to - but not beyond - taking away others' rights for their own freedom.

    He is simply noting that a woman's choice about her ̶b̶o̶d̶y̶ - I mean money - impacts people other than herself. And therefore her rights are not the only factor in-play.

    You may disagree with his call that other people factor in - and that's OK - but it's not because his viewpoint is self-contradictory.
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    And you would you ask the same question to a suffragette I presume?
     
  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    *shake my head* I'm not sure what to say to this, honestly. It's just sad that some men will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why a woman shouldn't have the same rights as them. You have rights over your body, Dave. That is all women want, too.


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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    My rights over my body are not sacrosanct either.

    What I'm arguing is not a man versus woman issue; what I'm arguing is a human issue. None of us have complete and clear rights to do as we please with our own bodies.
    There are other people involved. We're not each of us an island.

    (I am Pro Choice, BTW, and strongly oppose what is happening in the south of Trumplandia.)

    And again, I'm simply pointing out that Bowser's viewpoints are not self-contradictory.
     
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  13. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I think men have every right to be misogynist if they so choose. It's no shock that those practicing those religions might hold views other than those in the more liberal parts of society. If women choose to participate also, who am I to tell them they are wrong?
     
  14. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Wegs, the abortion issue is a difficult one, which is why it pops up so often. In my mind there is no easy answer.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    conflation of technical aptitude to invigorate distaste in content is a bit of a side show talent.
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    In Canada, it appears we have more rights to suicide than in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Americas However, I don't think it's particularly productive.
     
  17. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Now if only we could buy guns so easily!

    There's not even enough guns on the street to even attempt to provoke someone else to shoot me!

     
  19. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps I didn't read the wiki page completely, but won't they provide that service on demand. Nice having you around, btw.
     
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  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I read recently that hearing loss was often not strictly a mechanical problem with the ear, but also a problem with the ear-brain interface.
    accurate?
    As I am losing my hearing, I have noticed that I am mostly losing the high (nasal tone) pitches often found in some women's voices.
    Before I lost those pitches, I did find them somewhat annoying.
    so
    Am I becoming / have I become misogynistic?
     
  22. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. I understand your stance, as you feel that life begins at conception, and therein begins the “debate.” :/
     
  23. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, no middle ground on which to agree.
     

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