Mods-Bad Eggs

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Ok mods... you know who the bad egges are... so why not get rid of 'em... makin it easier to get this forum on the right track.???


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    Ok... i messed up.!!!

    I intended this thred to be about Mods gettin rid of the bad egge "posters"... not about gettin rid of Mods.!!!

    But that bein made clear now... talkin about how to handle bad mods is fine wit me... but i dont intend that to be my focus in this thred.!!!
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I support this sentiment. However this requires subject expertise in each area to do, to be confident the true nutcases are separated from the eccentric but reasonable people with an unconventional but rational case to argue. From what I read, a lot of the Mods here are currently unable to give enough of their time time do this.

    Having said all this, I do think the Physics section has got better in the last few days, now that one or two sockpuppets of banned people have been removed. Possibly the Mods could go just on behaviour rather than content, i.e. screen out those who obsessionally recycle the same viewpoint without engaging with criticism. You don't need so much subject expertise to spot this and it would probably get rid of the most egregiously disruptive individuals.
     
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  5. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    While the mod's can try to work out problems and identify which moderators aren't up to scratch, they don't have the privileges to remove someone themselves. This requires waiting for someone further up the food chain to reappraise whatever the problem is and act on it accordingly. This can of course take time since the volunteer staff to my knowledge are suppose to make the forum robust enough to not require an administrator to have to pop on every couple of hours.

    It can also be seen as akin to chopping off your own arm, yes there might be an infection and left untreated it could very well turn to Deadite control, however it's your arm and to be honest you're likely very attached to it.

    Perhaps we should look at some Moderator related infraction system where if too many infractions are met, the moderators kicked off the moderation team and returned to normal member status. The problem with such a system however is "who" would get to apply the infractions. While it would be great to have everyone's feedback define who stays or goes, it should always go through someone higher up to have "power over veto" just in case the actual event itself is just a mob sanctioned attack. (While this might imply that someone is all powerful, the reality is that there always needs to be some method to do the checks and balances to apply fair arbitration.)
     
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  7. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I've never been one to hold to the idea that Mods should be subject-matter experts. In my view they should be facilitators of discussion, weeding out disruptive behaviour, but otherwise letting discussion flow fairly, regardless of whether the content is right or not. Obviously if someone posts something incorrect the Mod can let them know just as much as anyone else can, and in that regard they would be posting not as a Mod but as a regular poster.
    So, as you say, Mods should really only look after the behavioural side rather than content, although it is clear the behaviour sometimes drives the content.

    That said, I've never been at loggerheads with a mod and have no cause to complain about any of them, but then I probably don't visit the more contentious threads.

    I do wish, however, that they would act more to weed out the posters who spout nothing but unsupported drivel, who never bother to counter the criticism levelled at their posts but instead just repeat what they have already said.
    But since I have never used the Report function, I guess their lack of action could partly be my fault.

    So in my view Mods should never use their Mod-power to strengthen their argument in a debate.
    They are not the arbiter of what is correct or not in terms of content, only in terms of behaviour (unless behaviour informs content etc). That a Mod might also be an expert in the field is/should be irrelevant to their Mod-ness.
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is we are supposed to be a forum of science... and if our mods are unlearned in their respective sub-forum, how are they going to know when someone is spewing crank woo-woo and when someone is posting genuine stuff?
     
  9. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    List them all, you wuss. Make it clear who you hate, who you love, and who you are.

    The "right track" is up for votes, right now.



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  10. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    What about the members and you know who you are(since you are not being specific why should I) who look for any excuse to call foul and are always on the lookout to complain about those moderators(we know who you mean clueluss). One of those members makes it his job to be contrary and is for not lack of a better word an asshole.
     
  11. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Not to answer for Sarkus, but is this not for other members to also decide/determine?
    Or is this place just a Q & A site?

    If someone posts a claim, they need to support it and defend their position.
    It should be that simple.
    Why does an expert in the field need to be a Mod to show that they are correct or not?
    Or that another person is "spewing crank woo-woo"?

    Should each party, Mod or not, not be able to support their answers / responses?
    What additional support does being a Mod lend to an answer, that is not then just an appeal to authority?

    So I would agree that Mods should be here to address behavioural issues.
    Let subject-matter experts, Mod or not, argue for the correctness or otherwise of someone's post, and support their position.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    If only that could be the case, Baldeee. The problem arises when some members start reporting or antagonizing others because they disagree with their ideas in the scientific community... we have to have someone who can sort that out and know if someone is, in fact, posting woo-woo, or if they are actually posting a potential breakthrough. *shrugs* At least, that's my take on it.

    If we want the forum moderation to be purely based on the "how" things are posted and not the 'what' is posted... that would be up to the owners/administration to decide.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Ok... i messed up.!!!

    I intended this thred to be about Mods gettin rid of the bad egge "posters"... not about gettin rid of Mods.!!!

    But that bein made clear now... talkin about how to handle bad mods is fine wit me... but i dont intend that to be my focus in this thred.!!!
     
  14. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    can you be more specific? For example, what do you consider a bad egg?
     
  15. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds reasonable.!!!

    No prollem... super mods woud apply the infractions to Mods as they see fit... an administraters woud apply infractions to super mods as they see fit... an if the super mods an administraters know what the gole of the forum is... an are worth a sht... that will give the forum the best chance for the gratest success.!!!

    Sometimes the drivel posters create situations which allow for a chuckle or 2... but i ant realy bothered by 'em... i jus quick scroll to the interestin posters... an besides... wit-out the drivel posters we woudnt be able to use the facepalm :facepalm:smiley as often

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    Personaly... i dont want anybody baned;;; i want to know why Mods dont just ban the bad egges an be done wit it.!!!
    Not even atemptin to suport an answr is like playin checkers wit someone who wont take ther jump... but when it gets bad enuff they will just be ignored.!!!

     
  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    No poster bothers me... i only read who i want to read... but i see mods give hints to certan posters that they are undesirable... ie... Mods know who the bad eggs are... so id like to know why they dont just get rid of 'em.???
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    One of the reasons is that, frustrating as some of the members may be... having a bad attitude isn't actually a crime.
     
  18. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    The less moderation the beter i like it... but i realize that Sciforums is gonna be the type of forum whare moderation is necessary... an the ideas above make good sinse for Sciforums.!!!

    How about makin bad-attitude a crime an give points/bans for it.???
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    The thing is, that would be a violation of their right to free speech...so long as they don't cross the line into slander/libel, abuse/assault, or otherwise threatening behavior... and while I may not agree with what they are saying, I will defend their right to do so, as is my duty as an American Citizen.
     
  20. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    "abuse"... doesnt that perty much leave the door open to moderate "bad-atitudes".???
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Only to an extent; there is a threshold it has to cross before any action is deemed appropriate... even then, there is a general backlash from some in the community when such action is taken... it is a true catch22
     
  22. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    The mods have done about all they can do when it comes to openness about the ban process itself. As members we have even been privy to many backroom discussions, been allowed to critique and offer suggestions to that process, which have resulted in some changes. Seems fair to me and I know as well as you Kitt that you just cannot please everyone.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    That is only too true... some people are only happy when they get their own way, damn the rest of the world if they don't agree with em... it is a worldview and mindset that... well, I honestly just can't wrap my mind around! One thing that comes to mind is the woman at Minute Maid Park who, after a little girl next to her caught a baseball tossed to her by one of the players, proceeded to reach down and quite literally steal the ball away from her... what kind of thought process leads one to believe that such an action is correct or permissible!?
     

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