Muslim/Christianity

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Red Devil, May 31, 2012.

  1. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The Catholic religion instituted the dogma of the assumption of the Virgin in 1954. This role of women in religion has been debated for centuries and the dogma essentially gives the female element an equal role with males all the way to a throne in heaven. This is about when civil and women's rights really started to get going because it did not conflict with faith.

    In 1954, or the same year, the US detonated a hydrogen bomb over Bikini Atoll. The power of this bomb was way more than calculated and took everyone by surprise. It turned out the extra kick was due to the new composite material used for hydrogen containment; lithium deuteride. With their own physics version of male and female they got more bang for the buck.
     
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  3. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    Most religions talk about peace while advocating and inciting war. You are right about that. There a few truly pacifistic religions or subreligions (sects of larger organized faiths) but not many. Those societies as large groups usually fizzle out or the followers of the faith are few in number and are peppered throughout other cultures/religious groups and go almost unnoticed.

    IMO, religion is nothing more than a conceptualize expression of the average human ego, with "god" playing the role of superego. That is why it expresses a desire for good yet justifies the most horrible acts imaginable. Most people do not even think about ego. But those who do, and are willing to master their ego, often appear to be more peaceful, more willing to compromise, and more altruistic. Of course, no one really masters their ego, but they can defy it one battle at a time. We all have the capacity to commit heinous acts, if pushed to our limits, and yes we all have limits. But most of us are never put in situations where we are pushed that far so it is hard to comprehend why those who are, do what they do.

    There are people on this forum who have taken the lives of others. In one circumstance such an act is cursed and called murder, while in another, we call it justified. Justified or not the act is horrible and the one who commits it has to live with what they have done. Killing always has a minimum of 2 victims, the one who killed as well as the killer.

    But here I go taking us off topic again. Sorry.
     
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  5. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    I don't know anything about physics but can you create a new thread to elaborate on what you just said. I have never heard of elements being male or female. You got me very curious.
     
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  7. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Faith does not equal religion. Can you imagine a honest God believing in that expletive? Faith is a belief, religion is a following. If you believe in a son killing, woman hating God who stands idly by while his preachers molest little boys you are probably evil.
     
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  8. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    What does "institute dogma" mean? Instead of putting spin on it, why not just state what the church did in 1954.
    What does this have to do with Catholics and Mary?
    :shrug:
     
  9. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Are there some religions you think are founded on violence, and others that aren't?

    What did you have in mind in comparing Christianity to Islam?

    What is your position on hatred between nations who clash over religion?

    Do you consider yourself a xenophobe, or intolerant towards certain groups, such as Muslims, or do you have a position for or against such an attitude?
     
  10. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    @Aqueous Id



    Are there some religions you think are founded on violence, and others that aren't?



    Are there some religions you think aren't founded on violence, and most if not all are? Is that what you meant to ask?​
     
  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    It became an institution of the church. That meant the female principle now had all the prestige of the male principle. That also meant the rank and file had to honor the change because it was an institution of their faith. This had a global impact.

    The relevance of the H-bomb was amplified fear. The main difference between natural male and natural female (not artificial) is male is motivated by desire while the female is motivated fear.

    The natural feminine fear is connected to the needs of security that are required to acquire, carry and nurture children. The modern female mask helps to appease this fear. Have a female take off the mask and go public and see.

    Natural male desire will drive the male, often without regards to the consequences of actions; climb any mountain. This is why the male are more likely to be the explorers, rebels, etc. since there is a desire for something regardless of the fear it may cause on others.

    The relevance of both the same year was a world wide shift toward the female element both through the Catholic Dogma and the fear of global extermination. The males gradually lost their desire for war due to the enhanced fear. The feminization of the male; long hair, allowed the female element to become prominent. The female copied the male desire for the future.
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Conditions change over time. The Ottoman Empire has been called the high-water mark of the Diaspora era. Jews under Ottoman rule were genuine second-class citizens with legally enforced rights. [This assertion ignores an important footnote in Jewish history: the Jewish community in China. They were so well-received there (they paid their taxes, obeyed the law, bathed, taught their children to read, and understood sound business practices, every medieval Chinese elder's dream) that after a few generations they vanished through assimilation. Jewish leaders in modern America, with its compulsive tolerance and its constitutionally enforced freedom of religion, point to this "disturbing" event, and then to high-profile Jewish people in the USA such as Jon Stewart with his Americanized name and his Christian wife, and fear that the same could happen here.]
    Wikipedia lists at least one hundred living Holocaust survivors who have some claim to fame. There are surely many more who are not so famous. After all, the world is chock-full of people in their 80s, who were born between June 1922 and May 1932. Plenty of European Jewish children were born in that decade. Many died in the Holocaust, but a percentage survived, and a percentage of those survivors are still alive.

    This is why it's so important for their stories to be collected and published ASAP, by any medium. First-person accounts are always more effective than hearsay.
    The way it was explained to me is that the Abrahamic creation myth, which begins the Torah/Old Testament, was cribbed liberally from the Babylonian creation myth. For a long time, the Babylonian empire was the political, economic and cultural center of Mesopotamia.

    Considering the relationships among the Canaanite subgroup of the Semitic group of the Afroasiatic language family, I would say it's likely that the Jews are descended from the Canaanites.

    The Canaanites were not Babylonians. Canaan was roughly the area now consisting of Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, and parts of Syria and Jordan.
    Au contraire, Arab scholars painstakingly conserved and translated the writings of the ancient Greeks and Romans. Progress in mathematics was made in that part of the world, building on the work of Hindu civilization.
    A couple of years ago I read a persuasive op-ed on this subject. The writer pointed out that Islam was founded roughly 600 years later than Christianity, and it produced the same main junctures in its evolution as Christianity did, which occurred more-or-less 600 years after their occurrence in Christian Europe. Calculating forward, he pointed out that if that eerie calendar echo continues, during this century Islam will enter its Reformation and Renaissance.

    That may sound like a swell idea, until we recall how many decades of turmoil took place in Europe until the ideas of the Reformation and Renaissance became dominant.
    The writer I refer to regarded "the new and more religiously militant Islam" as an echo of the conservative Catholic Church, digging in its heels against Galileo and the other heretics. We know how that ultimately turned out. Today's Catholic universities teach the heliocentric version of astronomy.

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    The moderate Muslims of the USA and other countries far outside the religion's homeland may be the instigators of the Islamic Reformation.
     
  13. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Basis of any difference/odd/toxicity should be the quantity not quality.....eg. gross/basic.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You do that.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal, and women are considered possessions.
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'd disagree that Islamism is a modern phenomenon: Pakistan in particular is a state of old and well-established religious bigotry, Bhutto to ul-Haq. I think the reaction is more due to the realization that there exists opposition to this apparent right. As such, is it really a reaction, or just an intensification of hatred that seemingly always existed?

    http://www.aina.org/news/20120211191736.htm
     

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