Nancy Pelosi is a felon.

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". George Orwell.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Gibberish.
    Get a dictionary - start with credulous. Then move to parts of speech, sentence diagramming, etc. When you can't write, you can't think.
    ? Silly boy - the ones that poisoned the children of Flint, Michigan, obviously. The ones that got thousands of them killed in Iraq. The ones that filled the prisons with marijuana possessors and blighted the lives of their relatives etc.

    Among others more general:
    The refusal to enforce regulations and laws against predators of US citizens.
    The suppression of votes, and erection of obstacles to voting.
    The militarization of the police, and encouragement of police state behaviors in targeted neighborhoods.
    The institutional fixation and defense of the results of past racial bigotry among the powerful.

    It's a long, long list.

    Can you name a Republican policy that does not directly harm US citizens? (An actual one, mind - not a rhetorical claim.).
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    C'mon Vociferous, give us some of your Republican policies that are beneficial to all US residents, not for just a few.
     
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  7. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    I think I'll give billvon a chance to substantiate his unsupported claim first. But I will say that the economy benefits everyone.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, I second billvon's challenge to you. I feel no need to question his pespective.
    OTOH, I do definitely feel the need to question your sanity.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Trump has rolled back 58 different environmental policies, and is in the process of rolling back another 37. As a result, ~8700 more Americans are dying every year from air and water pollution.
    Trump has diverted $3.7 billion from an account designated for building veteran training centers, schools for military families and other facilities on military bases to his wall, thus harming soldiers and their families.
    Trump gutted two regulations that protected low-income workers in 2017, including overtime protections and protection against employers taking employee's tips. The result - low income workers lost $7 billion dollars a year.
    For decades the GOP fought against rights for gay US citizens, thus harming them immensely.

    Want some more?
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, really?
    Did Trump Create or Inherit the Strong Economy?

    https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...reate-or-inherit-the-strong-economy-final.pdf

    Want more?
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So Trump's bungling of the Coronavirus response, and resulting tanking of the stock market, harms everyone.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And Nancy Pelosi is the felon here? On what information are some of these people basing their conclusions?

    This is really dangerous thinking. Falsely accusing someone of criminality is a crime in case someone has not been informed of this!!!
     
  13. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    That's a bit vague, no? Can you demonstrate how "the economy" benefits everyone? I'll make it easier: just demonstrate how this (?) economy benefits the majority of citizens, or even just the majority of households.
     
  14. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    He never made any challenge to me. He just made some unsupported claims.

    I see more unsupported claims there, but nothing to back them up. Do better.

    Obama's economy was the slowest economic recovery in US history. Anemic, at best, became robust after Trump took office.
    Citing a committee chaired by a Democrat isn't credible. Do better.

    Nope, just leftist media nonsense. Remember, Biden and the media criticized Trump for banning travel from China months before this became a significant problem. Fauci himself said that travel ban helped slow the spread, and the lack of tests is due to stifling and preexisting regulations. No one can control or be held responsible for an epidemic the source country failed to contain, nor its affect on the markets. We're still better off than under Obama. The markets can handle the dip because of their growth over the last three years. The market is already rallying after Trump promised support.

    No one I know has yet to feel any harm at all from any of this.

    Which House Democrats narrowly avoided, by not including any actual crimes in the articles of impeachment. Not that they haven't accused Trump of various and sundry crimes before and since. Lots of false accusations to go around.

    Whether leftists admit it or not, the adage is true. A rising tide does raise all boats. More jobs means more competition for labor, improving wages. More buying power means even more jobs to produce products to absorb that buying power. It's a positive feedback loop. If a US citizen is not benefiting, it's their own fault. Unemployment is so low employers are having trouble finding more workers to fill positions.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That just reveals your ignorance. You don't read and understand less.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Another example of your ignorance. You refuse to read history and tgat is you'll remain ignorant of it
     
  17. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Quote it then.
    Refute it then. I can give you umpteen articles from an extremely wide variety of sources saying that Obama's economy was the slowest recovery in US history. Can even give you a link to the Google search, if you can't manage that much yourself.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. I'll give you some support that you can ignore. From CPR, a GOP attempt to ban same sex marriage:
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    Americans’ views on same-sex marriage have shifted dramatically in the last 10 years. Today, more than 60 percent of the nation supports it, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made it the law of the land.

    That explains the surprise at the state capitol, and even in some Republican circles, when four Colorado Republican lawmakers introduced a bill to ban same-sex marriage on Feb. 3. The measure also would have prohibited same-sex couples from adopting.
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    From USA Today:
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    Trump administration diverts $3.6 billion for border wall from 127 military construction projects
    Tom Vanden Brook
    Christal HayesBart Jansen
    USA TODAY

    Trump administration to pay for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border includes nine schools for troops' children and rebuilding money for military facilities damaged by hurricanes in Puerto Rico, according to a list of projects released Wednesday.

    The administration's transfer of money from defense projects to pay for President Donald Trump's long-sought border wall has drawn bipartisan criticism in Congress. The list of 127 projects to be cut could intensify that fight as lawmakers learn the fate of military spending in their home districts, though the administration doesn't need Congress' approval to go forward.

    Utah's Republican senators, Mitt Romney and Mike Lee, blasted the delay in funding $54 million in projects in their state. The move undermines military readiness, Romney said. Lee called on Congress to rein in the president's authority.

    “Congress has been ceding far too much powers to the executive branch for decades and it is far past time for Congress to restore the proper balance of power between the three branches,” Lee said.

    More than half the cuts – $1.8 billion – are to projects at overseas bases. The largest overseas reductions were $119 million for storage warehouses at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany and $87 million for storage at Fairford Royal Air Force Base in the United Kingdom.
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    Not after Trump's ham-handed mismanagement of the Coronavirus issue caused a Wall Street rout. The Trump recession will harm everyone.
     
  19. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Colorado Republicans are not Trump. Is this some kind of mental gymnastics guilt by tenuous association?

    Considering the left usually hates any defense project (military industrial complex) spending, it comes off as disingenuous to cry foul now. Representatives are supposed to defend the interests of their own state. And?

    The stock market has yet to drop to pre-Trump levels and shows every indication that it will completely recover once this disaster is over. Why, are you hoping it lasts long enough and hurts enough regular people to vindicate your TDS?
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    With out strong and competent leadership it may not be only the stock market that doesn't recover...
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Is TDS starting to addle your brain? You specifically asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That was an example of a Republican policy that would harm US citizens.
    Again, you're starting to lose your train of thought. You asked "Which Republican policies directly harm US citizens?" That is another example, this time a Trump policy that directly harms US troops and their families.

    I know that Trump supporters tend to dislike US troops, but even you have to admit that US soldiers are generally US citizens.
    Oh, I am sure Trump can have a few more press conferences that will drop it even farther.
     
  22. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    You do know that a bill has to actually pass before it can harm or benefit anyone, right? And even your own quote said that it wasn't a policy of all Republicans. So not representative and not actually doing any harm. So yeah, tea in China. And maybe projecting your own addled brain.

    Does it harm someone? It certainly takes federal money and job creating projects out of some states and moves them to others (border states). But unless you can show actual harm, this is a very poor argument. Federal spending is vied for and unevenly distributed all the time, by both parties. And it's the left that demands that money can be redistributed without harming anyone.

    I'm sure you would like people to suffer so you can hope to get rid of Trump. TDS doesn't tend to allow for healthy perspective.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    A policy does not.
    It was and is Republican Party policy.
    The distribution at issue - that harmed US citizens - was by the Republican administration.
    Second slowest - if you read your links, they compare only recessions after the Great Depression.

    All those recessions happened under the provisions of the New Deal, so they were small and easily handled - the Crash of 2008 was the first one after the Republicans managed to revoke certain key New Deal banking reforms.

    Meanwhile: The Republican Congress blocked most of Obama's initiatives, with the intention (explicit and overt, stated on the record by Rep Congressional leadership) of preventing economic recovery during Obama's tenure and blaming him for the stagnation.

    Briefly: W's Crash marked and followed a partial restoration of the economic policies behind the Great Crash of 1929. And the Republicans now, as then, attempted to block all initiatives leading to recovery. That makes any recovery at all notable, and all to Obama's or the Democratic Congresscritters's credit.

    Trump's effect on Obama's recovery, meanwhile, has been to slow it down - with full Congressional support he has managed to do worse than Obama did in the teeth of scorched earth Congressional opposition.

    And to return to the false claim above: at least one past recovery was a bit slower yet - the ten year slog between the Crash of '29 and the US "entry" (economic commitment) into WWII. So the two slowest recoveries have been from the two biggest Crashes - both of them Republican crashes.

    That is hardly surprising - severe crashes do lasting and structural damage, different from more minor recessions etc. Revoking those key New Deal provisions and installing a Republican Congress has brought damage the US will still be recovering from ten years from now, twenty years or more after the Crash itself.
     

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