New Book: The Hidden Origins of Islam

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  1. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    There is nothing inherently wrong with a man taking multiple wives. There's no denying that men are designed to take up more than one lifelong companion. In Islam one is allowed to take up to four wives provided he can take care of all them and communicates with, loves, and provides for them equally. The point is most men aren't up for the job.


    In case of polyandry it is the nature of the woman that is against her. A woman who commits polyandry is usually looked down upon in society. Most women do not want to have multiple husbands.


    You hypothesize wrong social acceptance of polygamy does not lead to mysogyny and reduced legal equality, violation of women's rights does.



    So what's the problem?


    There is something inherently wrong with homosexuality men and women are not designed to be same sex sexual partners and they are also not reciprocal partners in a same sex relationship.
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That's why Islam is for misogynists and not for men with morals.

    More misogynist hate-filled garbage.

    You just outlined the problem. Islam and the misogynist mindset.

    And, yet we find that homosexual relationships are ones where the participants love and respect one another, while the Islamic misogynist beats the hell of his wives and treats them like cattle.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What's wrong about it?
     
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  7. Ja'far at-Tahir Grand Ayatollah of SciForums Registered Senior Member

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    I'll adress other posts later, I just wanted to comment on this for now.

    This is pure bullshit and you can sit here and use the same terms as the others but really, you haven't offered one single argument against anything so really you're just riding their coat tails and I am also willing to bet you couldn't even debate this topic, at all. In other words, shut up, adults are talking.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man having four wives. Should adults not "be able to choose the relationships they engage in," in a "free society"? Wouldn't this include polygamy? There is nothing inherently misogynistic about the practice of polygyny despite how it may be incorrectly practiced by the Mormons in America. Does a man have a limit on how much he can love? Does a women? If 5 consenting adults agree to enter in such an arangement, what is misogynistic about this? I would like for all those whom are against this practice to fully demonstrate the inherent misogyny that allegedly exists in the practice of polygamy. I also do not want arguments from abstractions. "It's um misogynistic and can't be done under um in um free societies." That's not a valid argument.

    He may be wrong but I wouldn't classify it as "misogynist hate-filled garbage."

    No, he didn't. Not at all. It's a valid argument, if in a "free," society adults can engage in whatever relationships they so choose (which apparently both you and Michael agree on this) then why can't they engage in a polygamous relationship? If in a "free," society (whatever that means) people can engage in whatever form of relationship either sexual, emotional or both, then polygamy should be allowed as it is a relationship that consenting adults can and do consciously enter. There is nothing inherently misogynistic about it.

    So, domestic abuse doesn't exist within the homosexual community? They live in bliss-filled paradise unlike the rest of the world? No, domestic violence exists everywhere among all groups and among all nations to deny this is not only naive but willfully stupid. Domestic abuse exists everywhere I could just as easily say "while the Atheist misogynist beat the hell out of his one wife." Trying to make an argument around a popular Western stereotype seems pretty bigoted to me, way to be hypocritical, good job. Don't worry, maybe you'll luck out and someone will argue for you.

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  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, poor baby, just can't deal with your psychotic religions garbage and you have to tell others to shut up to soothe your misogynist ego. LOL!

    There's no freedoms in an Islamic society, pal. You should know that.

    It's always great entertainment to see the Islamic mindset at work trying to justify their barbarism. LOL!

    Of course, YOU wouldn't.

    Except this comment of course made by your brethren misogynist: "A woman who commits polyandry is usually looked down upon in society"

    Hilarious. No one said anything about domestic violence. I'm talking about the misogynist mindset of Muslims and how their wives are treated according to your psychotic religions dogma. Perhaps, it's "willfully stupid" of you to change the subject to domestic violence?

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  9. Ja'far at-Tahir Grand Ayatollah of SciForums Registered Senior Member

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    Number one, I don't have to tell anyone to shut up nor do I think by doing so it would make you do so, despite my wishes but ultimately, I don't care whether or not you talk however you're not bringing anything to the table. I also, would like for you to prove to me how I'm the least bit misogynistic. Explain this to me. Put down this pretentious Western bravado bullshit you have going and explain to me how me or my views are misogynistic. Until you do this, you're just throwing out words of which I don't think you even fully understand.

    I have yet to be proven wrong by anyone thus I would say that's debatable.

    How about you prove to me that polygamy is barbaric or misogynistic? Until you do, you have no argument and are just spouting off unsubstantiated bullshit. It's easy for you to make up shit but how about you prove it.

    That has nothing to do with polygyny nor polygamy, in general. It only has to do with polyandry of which isn't being discussed. You're claiming that polygamy is inherently a misogynistic practice this would imply that you are talking about specifically polygyny. It's up to you to prove just how is polygamy/polygyny inherently misogynistic. Using this quote isn't a valid argument nor do I necessarily agree with the quote.

    Really? According to this quote, by you, you are talking about domestic violence.

    Monogamy is actually the standard in Islam however polygamy is also recognized as a form of relationship that Muslim consenting adults can enter. Also, find it odd and funny how you, a Western non-Muslim male, can comment with apparent authority on how Muslim men treat Musilmas. Until you can prove your claims and back your shit up, you're just spouting off hate and ignorance though I'm not really that surprised.

    I didn't change the subject.

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    It appears to me that this is just another case of White men trying to save those poor oppressed brown girls from us barbaric, savage brown men.
     
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  10. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    You read the post right...?
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah. What's wrong with it?
     
  12. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    I've already said what's wrong with it in the post if you want to ignore that I can't help you.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, but you didn't answer my question which was: Is there anything immoral with men taking 5 wives (we'll say the ones who are "up to the job"?


    Polyandry is the nature of some women. Polyandry is perfectly normal in some societies.
    You didn't answer my question, again. Is there anything immoral with women taking multiple husbands?

    I think the correlation is strong. So did the Chinese.

    The fact is Islamic societies are still, after 1500 years Islam, some of the most misogynistic and have some of the worlds worst record on female legal equality in the entire world. You do know from Japan and China to Brazile and Canada everyone in the world thinks of Islam as misogynistic and horrid on female human rights? That's a simple fact. Now, get this, the Chinese had Communism (a very flawed and far from perfect ideology) for only a matter of 10 tiny little years. Only 1 decade. Yet, Chinese Communist females acheived more legal equality in a few years than Muslims females did over the course in 1500 years!! What does that say about female legal equality in Islam? I'd say it surely wasn't a priority.

    How would you explain the rapid success of Communism compared with the pitiful progress (hell more like regression) of female legal equality under "Islam"?
    (note: please don't say something like: It's all the USA's fault, of the CIA did it.... OK?)


    Actually the scientific evidence suggests this is not the case. Homosexual men are born with female anatomical brains. The same is true of homosexual females, they have a male anatomical brain. This can be objectively measured using an fMRI. There is no room for human error. A machine can actually make the measurement. Not only that, but its very easy to change rat sexual behavior and sexual preference - rat sexual identity can be easily reversed chemically in male and female rats after birth. Those findings are published and have been repeated many times. There is no scientific controversy.

    Human sexual preference is determined before birth.


    So, now that we know there is a scientific and physical bases for homosexual behavior and their brains are indeed designed to be same sex sexual partners - do you still think it is immoral.
    If so, can you explain why you think homosexuality is immoral?



    (It should be noted that SAM is a Muslim and she says homosexuality is Islamic)
     
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  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    "Not designed"? What does that mean?
     
  15. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    Where is the physical basis for homosexuality the human body is either one gender or another.


    SAM said she is an unorthodox muslim which is not a bad thing at least she said she is muslim, she probably doesn't knowingly do things contrary to Islam.
     
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  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, even gender is a spectrum of traits, both physical and psychological. Homosexuality is the result of a genetic trait that in most cases causes increased heterosexual motivations. That is why it survives in the gene pool. Therefore, since it's genetic, it must be from God (assuming you believe in creationism).
     
  17. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    Which obviously doesn't change the fact that human bodies are one gender or another, come on.
     
  18. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Big Chiller,

    Firstly, please answer the questions I posted. They are specific and only ask for your opinion (that is, I'm not asking you to do research but just what you think and why you think it).

    The brain of course.

    Actually no, it's not.

    There are:
    - Genetic Sex
    - Phenotypic Sex
    - Brain Sex

    Humans can have a genetic sex of XY (male), look like a female physically (phenotype) and have a sexual orientation to a man, a woman, or both or neither.
     
  19. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    A human with a genetic sex of XY (male), is supposed to have male sex organs and one with a genetic sex of XX (female) is supposed to have female sex organs so what you've said hasn't made sense.
     
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  20. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    No. Though how many women can a man manage.


    I don't know if polyandry is immoral, but I do know it's odd to the nature of the woman and most women don't want to commit polyandry.
     
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if I'd say "supposed to have" but yes, normally that is the case. However, that's not always the case. Sometimes people are born XY and are female physically. Even they wouldn't know they are XY and would assume they were XX.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Is it moral for some men to have 4 wives?

    Most women (including Muslim women) do NOT want a man to have other wives. Yet, you just said it was moral to do so.

    Why do you think it's moral for a man to have multiple wives but are not sure if a woman can have multiple husbands?
     
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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That's another thing, why doesn't the Bible ever mention hermaphrodites? Isn't that proof of the imperfection of our creator?
     

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