New York World Trade Centre

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Red Devil, Sep 11, 2001.

  1. felix Registered Senior Member

    All I have are a couple of swords, but I can find them in the dark.

    Now all I have to do is learn to keep quiet when I stub my toe on the door jam.
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

    It is more in a country setting. We always have deer, armadilo, rabbits show up backyard.
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  5. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    Sheesh! I'm surounded by survivalist. I haven't followed the whole of this thread, but after reading the last few posts, I'm wondering, are you guys really frightened by recent events? All I feel is anger.
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  7. kmguru Staff Member

    frightened? Nay!
    Aware? Yes

    My personal motto is: I do not start a fight, but I can finish one - no matter how long or how many generation it takes.

    The word is Tenacity. If our country had that ever since the Israeli peace accord, we would not be in this shape today!
  8. odin Registered Senior Member

    Odd Coincidence

    Just got this in an e-mail !
    The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
    September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
    After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
    119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
    Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11
    The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11

    State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union
    New York City - 11 Letters
    Afghanistan - 11 Letters
    The Pentagon - 11 Letters
    Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted for orchestrating the attack on the
    WTC in 1993)
    Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11
    Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

    funny that

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  9. felix Registered Senior Member

    No, I'm not afraid about the recent events. At least, not any more so than before.

    I believe in "know fear" instead of "no fear".

    I don't believe we should walk through life being afraid, though.

    I like to walk through life with my head up, and my eyes, ears, nose and mind, open.

    I'm just aware that anything really can happen, any time.

    And I've been in situations that scared the hell out of me. And I've learned that recognizing fear for what it is (knowing it), and acting without letting emotions get the better of you (panic), can greatly increase you're chances of staying live.

    I'm not really a "survivalist", that word kind of carries a strange conotation with it. But I do think it's a good idea to be able to stay alive in whatever situation might find yourself in. I also know that the time will probably come when there's nothing I can about it. Unless, of course, I can figure out how to live forever

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  10. felix Registered Senior Member

    Re: Odd Coincidence

    Also 11 years since Desert Storm started. Or maybe it was just "Sheild" in 1990. I can' t remember, now. But I know it was officially starting in '90.

    That's a lot of 11's, yep. I wonder if it actually means anything, other than someone's got a lot of arithmatical (is that a word?) time on their hands.

    Any one have any idea why "11" might hold some symbolic meaning? Should that be a different thread? Man, I've got brain static tonight.
  11. leopold Valued Senior Member

    i thought now would be a good time to drag these threads out of mothballs
  12. Pi-Sudoku Slightly extreme Registered Senior Member

    I got your email thingy. I tried to find examples of the numbers 7 & 9 and found just as many
  13. kmguru Staff Member

    Well, next one could be nuclear...anyone is thinking in that direction? Get your crystal ball out of the mothball.....

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  14. crypto13 Registered Member

    WTC deaths avoidable

    Unfortunately many people died on 9/11 due to negligence/arrogance on the part of NYC officials.

    Before anyone accusses me of 'blasphemy' consider this.
    In 1993 a group of people constructed a very powerful car bomb (with the full knowledge of federal law enforcement officials who actually video taped some of their meetings through an inside informant) and left it in one of the parking garages under the WTC. After exploding - thousands of people in the towers either escaped on their own or were evacuated by the frontline heros of the FDNY and NYPD - not their brass.
    Those who struggled down the 'firestairs' faced blindness and impaired lung function due to the choking black smoke, lack of emergency lighting and no emergency air ventilation. According to TV news reports the last person didn't make it out until 7 hours later.
    Their escape was also hampered by the narrowness of these stairs - totally inadequate for 2-way foot traffic but 'approved' by NYC officials.

    Immediately after viewing this event I wrote to (then) Mayor David Dinkins offering an engineering plan which would prevent a repeat of these conditions - should there ever be a need to evacuate the towers in future. Rather than address my letter - it was passed on to the 'Chief of Operations' of the FDNY. For his family's sake I won't reveal his name. Besides, he was reportedly killed in the collapse of one of the towers.
    This engineering plan included low-wattage battery powered (windpower recharged) LED lighting and ventilation fans in each stairwell to both remove smoke and provide outside air (to escapees inside the stairwells).
    Rather than increase the width of the stairs themselves - which would necessitate reconstruction of the entire stairwells and surrounding floorspace - my plan called for installation of 2 dedicated fire hardened shafts (at opposite corners of each tower for redundancy) in-which fabric chutes would be installed. These 'fire chutes', made of Kevlar (strong as steel) and Nomex (fire resistant) were already installed in many high-rise buildings around the world and are in-fact mandatory under the fire codes of some nations.
    A site demonstrating their function can be viewed at this URL.

    One might believe fire fighters would welcome such a system, proven to save lives, as (through building occupants' self-evacuation) it would free them to concentrate on fighting fires. (as in 'fire fighters'?)
    Unfortunately the FDNY Chief of Operations felt differently, judging by his written reply, in-which he extolled the virtues of their radio 'command and control' system (the same one which condemned many fire fighters to their deaths on 9/11 through a lack of communications?) and a device known as a 'Lorenzo's Ladder'. I spoke to a few FDNYers who live locally and they all claimed no one has ever used this 'ladder' in any fire and no one ever would.
    Perhaps most telling of official negligence was the line in the chief's letter where he essentially stated "Don't call us - we'll call you". Of course his words were more diplomatic but I got the message.

    George W Bush and 'Rummy' sent our loved ones to Afganistan and Iraq under false pretenses - that's been confirmed. Now we've also learned they CHOSE to send them into harm's way without the proper tools to do their jobs OR the necessary protection needed to safeguard them until their return.
    Kind of reminds me of the 'advisors' sent to 'Nam with M-15 rifles and boots devoid of steel shanks. The former jammed after a few shots and the latter where easily punctured by posioned 'punji sticks'.
    Helio crews resorted to placing steel plates under their rears in their Hueys and APC crews rode on-top (with sandbags), rather than inside their 'armor' because the AK-47 slugs passed right through.
    Infantry patrols, which had previously followed in the footsteps of villagers on paths bordering the bush (into which they could take cover when attacked), were ordered by armchair generals (back in 'The World') to walk abreast through rice paddys - leaving them exposed with no cover at-all AND more subject to mines.
    Promotions (and pay raises) were determined, in large part, by 'body counts. Civilian, ARVN or Cong: After awhile it didn't seem to matter WHICH bodies were counted so long as the numbers were high. Is it any surprise, then, some US troops in Iraq are being tried for murder?

    The biggest difference is communications. Back in 'Nam we had the TV people reporting from Highway 1 but their stories had to pass through military censors (i.e.: 'Good morning Vietnam!'). Today anyone with a camcorder can 'record' whatever they choose, download it to a lap-top and beam it to the world via a satellite phone uplink to be viewed on 'YouTube' from anywhere on the face of the planet.

    Never forget - it's always the old men who start the wars leaving the young ones to fight and die in them. The same applies to municiple agencies.
  15. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member





    Thread Necromancy

    Thus Sayeth The Prince.
  16. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

    A reference to a pair of spherical objects comes to mind!
  17. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

    Whats wrong with that?
  18. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

    If your refering to my post, see the quote.
  19. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    Dead threads from 5 years ago rarely have anyone still around to discuss them. It is the equivalent of making a comeback to a joke that someone made the year before. It's time is done. It's a disturbance to the forum.
  20. kmguru Staff Member

    That is exactly how the bosses of our Intelligence Community think. To them, past is not an indicator for the future. Whether that is a good thing or bad thing depends on who is carrying the revenge....

    and crypto13, welcome to the reality.
  21. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

    Whats wrong with other people continuing to discuss them? There are some threads that keep repeating themselves, and some good older stuff. I dont see it as a disturbance at all. Ideas are ideas. There isnt a time limit on their validity.
  22. krakatoa scared! me? hummm? No,hihi. Registered Senior Member

    At least, there is news about WTC, They started the foundation for the new freedom tower. It will take little more than 5 years, it will be completed, in 2012, or 2013. Krakatoa.
  23. normally, I would agree, but this traumatic event needs to be exorcized from the collective American & world psyche

    demonic mindset of the perpetrators
    the evil perpetrated there
    badly designed buildings
    the incompetence of our leaders
    (dept, agencies, city, state, military, federal)
    poorly designed systems
    (escape, radio, co-ordination)
    poorly trained first responders

    what about care for all those with lung probs &/or PTSS?


    what have we learned
    what have we done
    what will we do?

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