News from Gaza Part 2

You are the one with no shame, you deliberately misrepresent a lot of things, especially the Jewish connection to the Nazis.

And ignore the Palestinians connections to the Nazis and the Holocaust.

 

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If you had any reading comprehension, what I said was that, the Reference you made to the Peace Now propaganda should have been vetted before you ran off at the mouth with it.

Yes, Ovidio, a German Based site, some what suspect I would venture. and as you point out, nothing ever came of it.

Let see? Lehi? it never had more than a 100 members, so exactly how much would this have helped the Nazis?

Again 100 members at most? and not a official part of the Zionist Movement, at that time.

Kind of Pales in comparison to the Mufti Of Jerusalem, and 2 full divisions of Muslim SS in Nazi service.

And from your own citation:

The British after WWII reneged on the Balfour Agreement, which then set up the situation where the Jews realized that the British now had become open opponents to the Creation of Israel, and were not acting in the Best interests of the Jews of the fourth coming State of Israel.

This is when the majority of this happened, not before, yes maybe, Lehi contacted Germany, yes they may have offered, but again nothing ever came of it, less then 100 men, and Lehi was never a major player until after WWII, and then, and only then, because Britain, crawfished the deal and the Zionist Movement needed all the help it could muster to defend and secure the realization of a Israel State.

To the Jews? I don't know, but they were there when Israel needed them most.

Really, less then a 100 Lehi and no reply from Germany, yes a major plot, really, and guess what, the German Intelligence knew how many men Lehi had to offer, and just how little that would further their objectives in the Middle East.

As you have just admitted, it didn't go any where at all, so a mountain out of less than a 100 man mole hill.

 

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Even at that, the British weren't occupires, this was treaty, and they were holders of a finite mandate.

 

I'm very saddened by the suffering the people of Gaza are experiencing right now. Sure, most of them don't like Israel too much, especially their children who have never set foot in Israel or spoken to an Israeli and so consequently think of Jews and Israelis as mythical villains... but they're still just people, and I wish their suffering would stop. Not all of them agree with HAMAS.

That is why IDF and the world should close ranks, just as the Arab world is beginning to do, behind Israel, and redouble the efforts to bomb HAMAS to hell so that the people of Gaza will have any sort of chance at normal life in their life times.

 

You keep misrepresenting my post I'll will report you.

 

bells buffalo is very good at giving information that contradicts his own points and supports someone elses.

 

I am not ignoring them They just have nothing to do with the jewish overtures to the nazis and the reasoning or rational behind it. Just because your a bigot doesn't mean your bigot bs fits in every single topic.

 

And what do you know about your Jewish overtures?

Lehi---Less than 100 operatives---not part of the Zionist Movement---trying to make a deal that was totally ignored at best, and never happened at worst.

Yes, I am a bigot, I am bigoted against ignorance and bigotry, such as you display.

pjdude, as usual you speak with out knowledge:

American didn't work with their occupiers in the Revolutionary War, it isn't legally possible, America was a Crown Colony, the Citizens were British Subject, Citizens.

1. There was no American Nation yet.

2. The People in America at that time were Citizens of the Crown, British Subject, so it would be legally impossible for them to due what you claim.

 

If I was running Israel I wouldn't agree to a ceasefire either. Traditionally they have been used by people to rearm themselves and rest up for more battle. Better to keep the heat on the battle while you are winning.

 

I am more concerned that the humanitarian aid be restored than with a cease fire. UN officials have indicated that they need about a 100 trucks a day to meet the need. Reopening the pipeline to the power station would also alleviate a lot of inconvenience and keep the hospitals functioning.

 

Read their fucking charter. its a poster child for extremist zionism.

yes you are.,

that would decribe me.

just I am displaying neither ignorance not bigotry.

Wrong as usual. I am speaking with knowlegde just knowledge not based on one side of an issue.

WTF your reading comprehension sucks. I was not talking about working with the occupier but the enemy of the occupier. You know the Spanish, the French, and the Dutch.

it is how they are referred to distinguish them.

I never claimed working with your resident nation enemies was legal. You seem to be under the impression that I'm claiming treason is legal. But if your going to fight them its a good idea.

 

Yes, if your going to quote it, it is up to you to vett it, as it was information from a outside source (Peace Now), to the Wiki document.

I checked the information in the link I posted, and it was accurate, something you should have done.

That will be forever unknown, so, ergo, it isn't germane to the debate, because it never took place.

Yes, after WWII, not as any part of WWII.

After WWII, the British double crossed the Jews, and gave support to the Arabs, and interfered with the immigration of Jews to Israel.

The British, broke all agreements, from Balfour, to U.N. 181.

That is not what the discussion and debate is about now is it?

But lets look at your claim:

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Amin Al Husseini meets Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS.

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Amin Al Husseini inspecting Nazi Muslim troops - 1943

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Nazi propaganda poster featuring Amin Al Husseini recruiting young Muslims.

Can you produce any documentation to show this kind of connection between any Jewish group and the Nazis?

Or any Muslim group in cooperation with the British?

What don't you get about the fact that they were not accepted into the Zionist until after WWII, after the British crawfished on the Balfour Agreement, and started to interfere with Jewish immigration to the land of Israel.

Show documentation of Lehi as part of the Zionist Movement before and during WWII.

Again the Lehi wasn't part of the Zionist Movement until after WWII.

"However, the British army declined to describe its attackers as terrorists because of the implication that its troops were frightened of them."​

Is it? the last part of the quote is opinion, of the author, not supportable by documented fact, the first part of the quote is supportable by fact and documentation.

Who Me? I can't help it that you don't have your history, facts, or timeline straight, as for

You seem to fill that bill quite well, you have no idea of the historical time line, and seem breft of the knowledge that Stern and Lehi died in 1942, and seem to be exceding angry.

And Bullshit, Lehi was on the outs with Irgun, just as I said, and you have just admitted.

And Lehi under Stern never numbered more than 100 men, and by 1942 Stern was dead, and his originazation was too.

plus, at the time of the offer:

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/30449.shtml

So again your point has no standing in the present debate.

Well guess what I was wrong:

I doubt that you would have any inkling of what those millions of Jews would have thought.

Let alone thought about the fact that the Muslims were taking active part in the Final Solution of Hitler's Germany to the Jewish Problem.

Really? well my mouthy friend, not only do the simple thing escape you, but the complex problems are beyond your grasp, and this is nothing if not a complex problem.

What Plot? nothing happened, there was no plot, and there was no support from Lehi for the extermination of the Jews in Europe, they were trying to get them out, and as I have cited, at the time of the offer, the Germans hadn't implemented the Final solution, and there was no way fro Lehi to know about that Operation.

Again, prove that anything was done to help the Nazis, or that the Lehi was of any help to the Nazis in the Middle East in WWII.

http://www.bambooweb.com/articles/L/e/Lehi_(group).html

So even the Lehi that emerged after Stern wasn't the same organization as that of Stern, he was dead.

So again the whole Lehi argument is nothing but a Red Herring

 

um bells the offer the lehi made was in 1940 before the decision to exterminate was made and implemented. At the time the offer was made it was in line with official nazi goal.


and buffalo the lehi aren't a red herring. the only reason you think that they are is you don't understand why I brought them up in the first place. But than again trying to understand anything has never been your primary motive. the reason I brought them up was to show a jewish group willing to deal with the nazis to show just because some one is willing to work with someone they don't have to believe the same thing or have a nefarious purpose. I mean the americans and british worked with stalin and certainly weren't pro communism. You work with what you can get not with what you wish you could get. This goes triple for groups like the lehi who require outside help to realistically obtain their goals.

 

Post the Charter, and I will read it.

But if you are talking about the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

just I am displaying neither ignorance not bigotry.[/QUOTE]

You are amusing, yes, displaying intelligence no, and all with total bigotry.

Yes you speak from only one side of knowledge, pjdudes side, which has no resemblance to truth or reality.

Still a Legend in Your own Mind.

It should be no problem to provide historical citation of your ramblings if true.

How you distinguish them? citation would help, just because you can understand your own thoughts, a amazing feat, in and of it's self, doesn't mean that anyone else can.

Documentation and Citation, something you fail to provide even to the simplest of subjects.

What? :roflmao:

Now read your post again slowly------What occupation? America at that time was a British Colony, the people of America were British Citizens, so again what occupation.

The American Revolution was a Coup, a over throw of the existing government, by the People who were English Citizens who no longer wanted to be Governed by England.

In actuality it was a Civil War, and we managed to enforce the separation, unlike the South.

Again your comprehension fails you, I was not saying what they did was or wasn't Illegal, I am saying that your postulation that as Americans they worked with foreign powers, this is factually incorrect, as British Citizens they were committing treason by mounting a rebellion, and until they achieved victory there was no American Nation.

 

As Bells is using Lehi, it is a Red Herring, as you have just pointed out, Stern and Lehi made the offer before the implementation of the Final Solution, and as I have pointed out Stern was killed in 1942, and Lehi disappeared until mid 1944, and Stern had nothing to do with the reconstituted Lehi.

The reconstituted Lehi never even tried to make contact with the Nazis, because at that time they were well aware of the Holocaust against the Jews in Germany.

What Bell's is trying to do is connect the two different Lehi organizations as one cohesive group, and that is not true or a historical fact.

So yes, as Bell's is trying to use Lehi, it is nothing but a Red Herring, and not germane to the debate.

 

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090101/FOREIGN/796934994/1001/OPINION

It is Hamas who is making the choice.