Non-Sense of Macro Evolutionary Faith

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    In what sense was the woolly mammoth's genetic code "corrupt"? Please explain.

    Clearly not. If a letter of the genetic code changes, then the sequence of which it is a part is a new sequence, different from the old one.

    You have already been told that most genetic change is neutral.

    Are you taking in anything that people here are telling you?

    And so?

    It doesn't prevent its hosts from living or reproducing. Therefore, as predicted by the theory of evolution, it has not been eliminated from the gene pool.

    You have just provided a nice pro-evolution argument. Thanks, Seti!

    Indeed there are many many pro-evolution examples. The evidence for evolution, as you know, is quite overwhelming.

    And so?

    Can you prove supernaturalism?

    No. Tell me what's circular.

    That doesn't appear to be a problem, since nobody has shown that anything else is needed.

    You're managing to resist the influence of reason and science, so it's a bit precious of you to claim you're being forced into anything, wouldn't you agree?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A lot of heavy breathing...............

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  5. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Spontaneous Generation was thoroughly disproved by Science a long time ago. Making Abiogenesis only a blind faith, belief position, in spite of the Scientific Evidence against it.

    Science does not support it!

    People believe in it because they choose to, and simply want it to be true.

    Not because it has been scientifically proven.

    It has not!
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that early and ignorant theory was debunked in favor of evolution just like creationism.

    Do you understand the definition of "spontaneous generation"? Let me show the definition:
    So far so good.
    Do you see the lack of scientific knowledge? No one had even heard of a microscope! This was the product of ignorant minds and was properly corrected by Darwin with his Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection.

    You may want to check this out : What Darwin Got Right (and Wrong) About Evolution
    https://www.britannica.com/list/what-darwin-got-right-and-wrong-about-evolution
     
  8. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Right, but they are also the same theory.

    Abiogenesis is just in a slightly different form.

    Both claim that life can spontaneously generate from non living matter and that such processes are commonplace and regular.

    Claims are even made today that it is so easy and commonplace, life must exist everywhere in the Universe.

    Neither version has ever been proven.

    Which is why Abiogenesis is only a faith position.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No they are not. If you think they are, you don't understand either one.
    Nope. Abiogenesis posits that it happened ONCE in a billion years. Which is the opposite of commonplace and regular.
    See above.
    Given that you don't understand either theory and rely on blind obedience to religious dogma, I think I will go with science over your religious opinions.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No.

    Scientific theories of abiogenesis would have chemical processes leading to the formation of life - i.e. life arising from non-living chemical precursors.

    That is obviously different from life suddenly appearing from nowhere, which would be spontaneous generation.

    You really need to do the bare minimum of research before you post on this topic, SetiAlpha6. A lot of your claims are just factually wrong, and you don't even seem to be aware of it. It's probably because of your heavy reliance on only Creationist sources. You need to realise that Creationists are notorious liars.
     
  11. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Abiogenesis is faith.

    And you know very well that it is unproven.

    They are both the same and different

    It is the same theory as Spontaneous Generation in basic principle, but it only changes a few variables.

    Under the name “Abiogenesis” the length of time needed is vastly increased, and the complexity of the Generation needed is also increased.

    Both of which make it even less likely to occur.

    Both propose and neither prove that life can Spontaneously arise from non-living matter.

    Abiogenesis is not even a good Scientific Theory because it is unfalsifiable.

    Please prove Abiogenesis.
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What is there to prove? Can you answer what was before Life evolved?
    Can you prove Life always existed? And how would that work, pray tell?

    You don't even understand the implications of your own question.
     
  13. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Like you all, I only have a faith position, on Origins.

    My faith position is likely different than yours.

    Abiogenesis is a Naturalistic Theory of How, When, and Where life originated. Yet it cannot answer even one of these specifically or definitively. It proves nothing and is unfalsifiable.

    It assumes without the slightest proof that Nature is all there is and takes off from there. It’s foundation is merely faith.

    How is the Naturalistic Theory of Abiogenesis falsifiable?

    Because if it is unfalsifiable it means nothing Scientifically.

    And again, is only faith.
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Slip-slidin-away.

    Origins, the point at which something comes into existence or from which it derives or is derived?

    Remember, the Universe originated 13.8 billion years ago.

    Answer the question; "What was before Life came into existence"?

    Abiogenesis IS the Naturalistic Category of "How".
    The Evolutionary Theory of "When", and "Where" is yet to be formulated.
     
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  15. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    In my faith,
    The Eternal “I Am” God.

    How about you?
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Actually that is not the Eternal Word at all

    The Word is; "I am That, I am", not "I Am Who I Am" or "I am God" (that is a bastardization of the true Scripture).
    https://chicagobible.org/why-did-god-call-himself-i-am-that-i-am/#

    In my book "That" is a "mathematical essence". Once you accept That, everything begins to make sense.

    Besides what are you doing interpreting the Jewish OT? Just listen to Lewis Black, he will explain it to you.
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    Center for Tanakh Based Studies
     
  17. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Why should I listen to Lewis Black?

    He is just trying to make a living, at the expense of others, using the character assassinations of others.

    The minute he does that he has lost the argument.

    By the way, using his own approach...

    With him being a Jew, he would have nothing valid to say about Christianity anyway!

    So, again, why should I listen to him?

    Something has to be Eternal or Nothing would exist right now.
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So he's just like a creationist! You should be familiar with his approach, then.
    Ah, that old anti-Semitism. Bigotry is alive and well.
     
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  19. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Abraham was my grandfather, with a bunch of great greats thrown in there. Let’s just say we go way back!
     
  20. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I love this comment, and really appreciate it!

    Historically yes, absolutely, Man has certainly abused Man, and used Religion as the primary tool to do so.

    I really hate that, just like you do!!!
     
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  21. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Lewis Black is at least funny!
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you are. Everything is negotiable when it is done in the name of God. It has been going on for thousands of years.
     
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