I find it funny that when a poll agrees with joe, and his liberal friend it is gold, but let the poll show their Messiah, Obama doesn't walk on water, they start to throw temper tantrums that the polls are all agitprop, disinformation, misinformation, and newspeak, and want to stick their heads in the sand and not get the message that the reason their Messiah on Earth, Obama is so unpopular is because of His own agenda, and the absolute destain for the Citizen.
liberals dont walk on water.. if mc douch would have won and we had the most retarted vp this world has ever seen could you imagine how this country would be right now? and tbh obama is doing a great job. regaurdless what all the republicans say, remember bush is the one who was using a piledriver on this country obama has to clean up all the shit
Thanks my dear Buffalo Roam, I can always count on you for a laugh. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I find it interesting that you equate a search for the truth as equlivent to a temper tantrum. I think you should continue to delude yourself...but don't come crying when things don't turn out for you or go inventing more terms like RINO to explain to your failures.
scifreak: National Debt Up $2 Trillion on Obama's Watch - Political Hotsheet ... Mar 16, 2010 ... Treasury Department Numbers Show Debt has Increased More Than $2 ... last year have necessarily added to the deficit -- about $1 trillion, ... http://zfacts.com/p/318.html http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000576-503544.html - 77k Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yes under Obama and the Democrats the deficit has taken off like a missile to the moon, the launch point starts when the Democrats take over the Congress.
2010 Budget of the United States federal government Submitted February, 2009 Submitted by Barack Obama Submitted to 111th Congress Passed Passed Total revenue $2.381 trillion (estimated) Total expenditures $3.552 trillion (estimated Deficit $1.171 trillion (estimated) Debt $14.078 trillion (estimated) Website US Government Printing Office 2011 Budget of the United States federal government Submitted February, 2010 Submitted by Barack Obama Submitted to 111th Congress Total revenue $2.57 trillion (estimated) Total expenditures $3.83 trillion (estimated) Deficit $1.267 trillion (estimated) Website US Government Printing Office Yes, joe and how funny do you find this, Obama in two years has added 2.43 trillion dollars to the Deficit, yes joe I am just :roflmao: it is so funny and Obama isn't done yet, except for one small problem.......The American People are pissed, and the excuse of it's all Bush's fault wore out Mar 21, 2010. That is why Obama is buying his polling ratings.
LOL, and what evidence do you have that he is buying is polling ratings? And what would you have Obama cut? Let's see what did Obama inherit when he took office? - two wars (that were not paid for, meaning they were being added to the national credit card and had been for the last decade - Medicare entitlement expansions (also not paid for, meaing these expenses were being added directly to the national debt - Interest and principal payments on the 6 plus Trillion dollars george II and his merry band of Republicans added to the national debt during their tenure and the trillions more they committed the federal government to spend into the future - An economy in crisis with the nations financial system on the verge of complete collapse which means * federal tax revenues are down * federal expenses are up because of such things like medicaid, unemployment, bank defaults, FDIC, stimulus, etc. - Unemployment rates soaring to double digits with the nations manufacturing base ready to collapse And in another thread, you want Obama to take over and fix the oil company fiasco in the gulf, which will costs billions more. When Obama took office the national debt was about 11 trillion dollars. After a little over a year, the national deficit is about 13 trillion dollars (guess what, your numbers are wrong again but so what else is not new?). That is a lot of money. And the American people are rightly upset, but who should they be upset with....the guy who is trying to fix the messes created by you and yours or the ones who created the mess? I would suggest it is more rational to blame the ones who created the mess/fire and not the firemen who are trying to put out the fire. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4872310-503544.html http://www.usdebtclock.org/
I think you need some glasses Mr. Buffalo Roam. Look at the graph you chose to display. Now tell me when did the national debt shoot straight up? Look closely, because if you do you will see that it was under the reign of george II and his merry band of Republicans/Rinos are what ever else you guys are calling yourselves these days. And as anyone with half a brain knows, that federal spending is planned or approved first and spent later (passed by congress and signed by the president). That means that all or most of that rise in national debt you are blaming Obama for actually belongs to george II and his merry band of Republicans. Obama does not have the power to single handedly overturn the laws (including spending legislation) previously passed by congress and signed into law by another president...lesson in American government for you Mr. Buffalo Roam and Constitutional expert. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
2007 when the Democrats took Congress, both House and Senate joe, you do remember that don't you? and you do remember, it is the House that writes the spending bill according to the "Constitution".
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And who prepares the budget and submits it to the House? And who signs the Budget after it is passed by Congress? A Constitutional expert should know the answer to that question. It was George II who drafted the budget and submitted it to the House, and it was george II that signed the budget into law. And it was george II that spent the money you are laying onto Obama. And it was the Republican Congress and a Republican president (your boys and girls) who decided to engage in two wars without paying for them. It was your Republicans who were responsible for the largest entitlement expansion in nearly a half century again without paying for it....just adding it to the national debt. And it was the Republican Congress and Republican president who put NO Bid provisions in the Medicare expansion, which was and remains a blank check on the national coffers for the insurance and drug industries.
How did you come up with this figure? Because the numbers you gave above just don't add up to this $2.43 trillion. You must have used some other source, not the one you submitted. Because according to your numbers: 2010 deficit - 2009 deficit = $ 96 Billion increase in deficit. According to a different source (Wikipedia) actually deficit decreased from $1.413 Trillion (It was on the news all over) to $1.17 during the same period; that means, deficit actually decreased $243 Billion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget Can we see your sources please for this 2.43 Trillion Dollar deficit?
BR your forgetting about the lag time in things like this GWB drove this economy into the ground and to fix it you need to realize you need to spend money to make money your graph counter dicts what your trying to do here you can see it skyrocket like a missile before obama became president.. did u expect it to just INSTANLY flatten out and go down? come one BR *EDIT* actually the graph completely makes u look ignorant.. take a gander during the bush time its almsot a straight line when obama took over its starting to lean the right going in the right direction. think b4 u post man you counter your argument with a graph that you post in the same post and look at the section when GWB started // less than that is going down then its starts rolling up up up then shoots straight up
Perhaps it would help if you read some business news. If you had you would have seen that Obama and his Democrats have taken the economy from a minus 6 percent growth rate to a positive 3 percent growth rate. Not only that we have had several successive quarters of growth in the economy since he took office. And you would also know that while unemployment remains high, it is a lagging indicator...meaning it is one of the last things to improve in an economic recovery. Additionally, the US suffers from a chronic lack of investment. Investment has been moving oveseas for the last few decades. And that is not going away anytime soon. It takes years for that to happen, and that is a key driver of employment Mr. Buffalo Roam. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So while Obama is doing all the right things....he has no magic wand. To get this economy back to where we would like it to be, it is going to take old fashioned work. And with Republicans in Congress saying no to anything that Obama proposes, it is going to be even more difficult to get investment restarted in the US.
The funny thing joe is that I have and the headlines of recovery are not supported by the body of the story, or the numbers from the U-3 through U-6 or by the volatility of the stock market. Mortgage Delinquencies and Foreclosures on the Rise May 19, 2010 ... The Mortgage Bankers Association says more than 10 percent of homeowners had missed at least one mortgage payment in the January-March ... http://www.wifr.com/news/headlines/94313849.html Wake up America: Unemployment Numbers Expected To Rise May 13, 2010 ... When they start looking for work again, they get counted as unemployed. So, basically, the numbers will "officially" rise to the actual ... http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2010/05/unemployment-numbers-expected-to-rise.html Yes joe, more of those who are not counted in the official unemployment numbers are now looking for work, which show just how badly undercounted and unreported the unemployed and underemployed are. Even with all of the Hiring by the Census Bureau the unemployment numbers went up, because all of the people who dropped off the roles, Obama and the Democrats didn't expect that, they thought that with the hiring of the Census Workers they would have a nice story to spin on how unemployment was dropping. And why is that investment moving over seas? could it be because of the Democrats love of taxing coorporations? Hmmmmmmm? We have on eof the higest cooporate tax rates in the world and the Democrats nevr saw a cooperate tax they didn't love or want to raise. High Corporate Income Tax Rate Driving Jobs Overseas | The Foundry ... May 5, 2010 ... The high U.S. corporate income tax rate is driving jobs overseas as ... and exemptions available to businesses drive the effective rate down and ... jobs are lost to foreign countries more welcoming to new investment. ... American Thinker: US Companies Pay the Highest Taxes in the World Mar 4, 2009 ... US Corporate Tax Rates Highest Among The World's Largest 15 Economies. The comparison doesn't stop with the OCED countries. ... http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/us_companies_pay_the_highest_t.html - 24k
It went over your head Buffalo Roam. As previously stated on multiple occassions to you, United States Gross Domestic Product (the standard measure of economic health) has been growing for almsot a year now. As also previous and repeatedly pointed out to you employment is a lagging indicator, it is the last thing that improves in a recovering economy...such as ours and it is improving. We are no longer loosing 700k jobs a month as we were when Obama came into office and employers are now hiring. And has also been explained to you, the unemployment numbers are likely to rise as more and more people enter the labor market because hiring has increased...no suprise there either. And what matters is not the stautory rate but the effective corporate tax rates (also explained to you in much detail repeatedly), and the US has some of the lowest in the world. Most small business corporations and many larger businesses don't pay any tax at all. I have investments in a few of them. So I know first hand (e.g. master limited partnerships). Things that matter to employers in the US are labor costs - which includes healthcare. Guess what, Obama and the Dems just passed a healthcare reform bill that will ultimately contain healthcare costs. http://www.smartmoney.com/investing/economy/high-corporate-tax-rate-is-misleading-22463/ And again this all takes time. Additionally, we should not be giving tax incentives to employers who choose to move jobs overseas as has been the case for the last few decades. Obama by the way, plans on reversing this subsidy to companies who export American jobs.
I'll agree that there's no reason to tax corporations, when the USA is already one of the worst places for them to base themselves. (Labor costs too high, and too many laws restricting the ways they can do business, plus high lawyer costs whenever they get sued over something.) We're the best market to sell to, but the worst place to try and export from.
1) Most of the jobs added are a byproduct of the birth/death projections of the dept of labor: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/290k-payrollsadded-unemployment-goes-back-99-underemployment-171 2) Under Pelosi and the Democrats, 7 million private sector jobs have disappeared, and they have done nothing to fix it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rK3r4uBcEec/S9Skm6w8G2I/AAAAAAAAAFk/UfYo9Cuq6OI/s1600/dem-jobs-lost2.gif Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! 3) The reality is Wall Street is jittery, the recovery is weak, millions of fewer jobs now than in 2007, and Democrat policies to add massive healthcare burdens, higher taxes, more regulations, unionization, are killing jobs and job creation. We are in a massive debt hole and trillion dollar deficit as far as the eye can, and adding trillions of dollars to the deficit and debt, is not the way out - just a way to become the next Greece.
Buffalo, you still didn't answer my question I asked at post #31: Where did you find this 2.43 trillion dollars addition to the budget deficit? If you don't want to answer, you can at least say that you don't want to...
