Discussion in 'Politics' started by Giambattista, Mar 23, 2011.
didnt even read the op because i truely believe your out of touch with reality
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What is the mater Pinwheel, is the truth getting a little uncomfortable?
where exactly are you getting your information? and please remind me under what administration the war was started under
here is an idea how about answering questions asked of you and quit dodging questions asked of you
Your next president.. who knows who it will be but im probably smarter than him. Maybe it will be a woman.. but she'll still be dumb.
I don't think they can make up their own cases.
It's not our revolution, so we need no plan. That's what's so brilliant about it!
What's your point?
If you are saying the figures are too low, you are probably right.
Here's some information on costs:
THE COST OF THE WAR
There are usually four Tornados in each sortie. The total cost of flying time there and back per plane is up to £210,000. Each aircraft is equipped with Storm Shadow missiles. These cost around £500,000 each - so if each plane fires two missiles the cost is £4million. So the total cost of one four Tornado sortie is almost £5million.
Other British assets in play include C17 and C130 Hercules transport planes at £42,000 and £12,000 per flying hour. E3D Sentry AWACS radar aircraft scan the skies for enemy planes, at £33,000 an hour. Frigates HMS Cumberland and HMS Westminster cost £90,000-a-day to run.
Trafalgar class sub HMS Triumph has been firing Tomahawk Cruise missiles from the Med. The sub costs £200,000 a day to run and each missile costs £500,000, with up to 10 fired so far.
There are 10 £70 million Typhoon jets which are new and cost more to run than Tornados. They fly at 65,000ft, at twice the speed of sound and costs per mission are as high as £350,000 per jet.
Deaths. Estimated. Probably far more.
Not sure what you mean about the administration.
Could you simply say what you want to say?
So far you've just asked questions.
Cost is not much more than training missions, what's the big deal? Sure people got killed, but they were going to get killed anyway, we might have prevented even greater deaths had Ghaddafi been permitted to purge the country of rebels.
Your statement is just a bit confusing. Are you meaning to say, who is the last president who waged a full scale attack on another country without Congressional approval, in fact, in defiance of Congress?
I wonder if Iran-Contra counts? I don't think it's ever been as upfront and straightforward as Libya.
Preach that gospel!
GB: Will they take responsibility as well for any war crimes committed by the peace loving freedom movement?
That statement is rather open, more alluding to the possibility rather than the hard reality of these supposed war crimes, although I feel confident that the hard reality is affirmative of them.
Sure. And that goes for the ICC, NATO, France, et al. Is it unreasonable to not launch undeclared, un-Constitutional wars over allegations of "atrocities" in a country before getting solid evidence to confirm those allegations?
Or does it work like this...
Again, it appears the burden of proof in Libya is only on this illegal war's detractors, and you seem to be confirming this with your exhortations to have evidence before arresting someone. Everytime the rebels make an accusation against the loyalists, it is regurgitated over and over unquestioningly by the usual media sources.
We can talk then, about probable cause and sufficiency of evidence in arresting someone for a crime. We can also talk about aerial bombardment in high population density areas. Is the burden of proof similar i.e. NATO's word is as good as a guilty verdict?
Perhaps. And then again, perhaps the story we have been given about Lockerbie isn't the full truth. I have heard evidence that does not point to Gadhafi/Qaddafi/Kaddafi (how many spellings must we endure?!!?!? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!).
Sometimes it seems that such people, while there are legitimate concerns about their characters, they are also easy targets for scapegoating.
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Maybe the rebels wouldn't have rebelled at all if they had not been encouraged to do so. Were promises of unlimited support made? Who knows what was happening in the country before this intervention?
One explanation for Ghaddafi's sudden retreat was that he thought there was a ground invasion by US troops imminent.
Perhaps he was right.
He's nauseatingly good at it isn't he. I think joepistole may actually be Michelle Obama...
Sorry to see you ban yourself, you tyrant!
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That's a lot of bombing missions. I wonder what the ratio of kills from Qawddawfhee (an original spelling, for once) forces versus Rebel/NATO forces is?
It is pretty clear that you are immune to facts and reason. You avoid the facts; engage in ad hominmen; evasion and misrepresentation in order to push your point of view which is clearly not grounded in reasoned thinking.
The bottom line here is if you want to strart throwing people in jail, in a civil society, you need evidence. And the long and short of it is, you have nothing but inflamatory rhetoric - kinda of reminds me of the American right wing.
You mean the Golden Toilet Bench?
I heard someone remark about a case they presented to the Supreme Court of the US. He said the Supremes (not to be confused with the music group who have probably caused far less damage) were self-absorbed and arrogant and acted like everyone in the court were recipients of some great favor by the justices to even allow them into their presence.
I think he mentioned Ginsberg looking very comical since her stature barely brings her up above the desk and they sit in huge chairs that are akin to thrones.
I never forget that description. :worship:
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Evasion. I see you and sifreak both seem to have ignored when I referenced "at the top of this page"...
Here. Get started on that.
I will do my best to post more. I have followed this from early on, and I guess I take it for granted that others pay attention to other sources besides the psychophants in the establishment media.
And what is the level of evidence required before a foreign coalition can start bombing cities?
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Which version of reality? Specify, please. And you feel like criticizing me, without reading any other posts? Which is maybe why you said this:
How bout reading? Both my response to joe as well as the upper part of page 8..
The illegal Libyan war started under Obama, or at least the US part of it.
You and joepistole need to high tail it to Vegas for a wedding, pronto. There is no reason why your two minds shouldn't become one!
I think it was the Arab Spring that encouraged them to do so in the first place. We didn't want to make the same mistake George H.W. Bush made in Iraq, not to support the native rebellion. Isn't it better when the change comes from within? And we do want change from dictatorial rule, don't we?
Order: Kill non-mainstream reporters in Libya, What U.S. is hiding
There's a lot in that article.
I watched several of Nazemroaya's videos, particularly on Sunday night when the fighting escalated. I haven't heard much about him now. I heard the Red Cross escorted them to another hotel, but what happened since then is unknown. In the later videos, he was clearly scared and shaken, and not because of Gaddafi's troops.
A lot of accusation but no evidence. Why should we trust the non-democratic regime of Putin? They have been against invading Libya from the start!
NATO, Rebels Accused of War Crimes in Libya
Rights group: Libyan rebels looted and beat civilians
Oh, Mr. Jibril assures us that it was limited in scope and that he'll get to the bottom of this!
Did I previously post anything related to the fact that some of the rebel factions are mercenaries of the loosely-organized and affiliated network sometimes referred to as Al Qaeda? I believe it was Jibril who admitted as much, but insisted that they were good Muslims... whatever that's supposed to mean.
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