Obscure historical facts

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  1. river

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    The actual origins of the illuminati ;

    Behavioral manipulation , psychological programming , and mind control , were utterly repugnant to the genuine TELESTAI , ( telestai ) of the ancient Mysteries .

    In time , initiates took the path of social engineering . Dissident members of the Gnostic movement , were ; are the illuminati .

    The illuminati movement is far older than we have come to know .

    The German , 1776 , illuminati movement has nothing to do with the origins of this movement .
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    TELESTAI = It is finished?
     
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  5. river

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    Don't get you .
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OK
    I had thought that "It is finished" was close to a literal translation of "Telestai"
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    Please correct/cure my ignorance and inform me about the Telestai you had referenced.
     
  8. river

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    The close connection between Gnostics and the Mystery religions of the classical world, attested by ancient sources and affirmed by some scholars such as G. R. S. Mead, suggests that Gnostics would have called themselves ''telestai'', "those who are aimed
     
  9. river

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    To add ;

    consistent with their involvement in the Mysteries. By contrast, they would have been called ''gnostikoi'', meaning "know-it-all," as an insult directed to them by their enemies, the Church fathers such as Irenaeus.
     
  10. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    A small offshoot about Charles Darwin is the story about the Madagascan orchid and a moth

    Darwin noted the storage of the nectar in the Madagascan orchid was so deep, 30cm, that it would appear to go against the possibility of it being able to reproduce

    Darwin put forward the idea of a moth with a long proboscis as being the mechanism

    No such moth was known at the time, 1862

    In 1882 Darwin died

    20 years later the Sphinx moth was found with a proboscis long enough to qualify

    111 years after Darwin's death, in 1993, photographic evidence proved the link between the moth and its ability to act as the reproductive force for the orchid

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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The real life model for the Count Of Monte Christo - which was significantly biographical - was racially black, from Caribbean Island slavery.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    It is not normally much discussed, and seems in some quarters to have been actively suppressed, but the Suffragette movement involved a substantial nationwide campaign of bombing and arson, between 1912 and 1915.

    The UK Home Secretary is currently under pressure to issue pardons to some of the (long dead) activists. She is apparently having to explain gently to some people that this could be tricky in a number of cases.
     
  13. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    Are you in UK? Do you know Wright Layman and Umney?

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  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but no I don't know them.

    Having looked them up, it seems the "Wright" is the Wright of the eponymous coal tar soap that I vaguely recall from childhood.

    Why do you ask?
     
  15. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    Working there was my 2nd job. First pumping petrol under Oliver Cutts

    As the newbie in the lab I was detecting the moisture content of the soap

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  16. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    31st January 1968

    First American satellite, Explorer 1, launched

    Sputnik 1, first launched satellite, by Russia, was sent into orbit about 4 months earlier 4th October 1957

    Explore 1 one sent back large amounts of information which included data about the Van Allen belts

    Sputnik 1 and Sputnik 2 (3rd November 1957) did send back coded information which remained unknown

    Sputnik 2 did detect the increased radiation as it passed through the Van Allen belts but as noted the data was sent back coded so only the Russians knew about the levels of detected radiation

    James Alfred Van Allen (September 7, 1914 – August 9, 2006) was an American space scientist at the University of Iowa. He was instrumental in establishing the field of magnetospheric research in space

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    Van Allen radiation belts were detected by his Geiger–Müller tube instrument on
    Explorer 1 and because of that the radiation belts were named after him

    If the Russians had released their data they would have been credited with their discovery and who knows what the belts would have been called

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  17. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Wouldn't that be 1958?
     
  18. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    Reposted as per Gawdzilla Sama, post: 3503015 correction
    Thanks

    31st January 1958

    First American satellite, Explorer 1, launched

    Sputnik 1, first launched satellite, by Russia, was sent into orbit about 4 months earlier 4th October 1957

    Explore 1 one sent back large amounts of information which included data about the Van Allen belts

    Sputnik 1 and Sputnik 2 (3rd November 1957) did send back coded information whichremained unknown

    Sputnik 2 did detect the increased radiation as it passed through the Van Allen belts but as noted the data was sent back coded so onlythe Russians knew about the levels ofdetected radiation

    James Alfred Van Allen (September 7, 1914 – August 9, 2006) was an American space scientist at the University of Iowa. He was instrumental in establishing the field of magnetospheric research in space

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Van_Allen

    Van Allen radiation belts were detected by his Geiger–Müller tube instrument on
    Explorer 1 and because of that the radiation belts were named after him

    If the Russians had released their data they would have been credited with theirdiscovery and who knows what the belts would have been called

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  19. Michael 345 In Aust : found it :) Valued Senior Member

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    19th February 1942

    Darwin bombed by the Japanese. Many other bombings took place not only on Darwin but also down the Western Australia coast line

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  20. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Talking of Votes...
    In the UK before the Representation of the People Act 1918, roughly 40% of men were not entitled to vote. The Military bill of January 1916 was passed and single men and childless windowers between 18 and 41 were conscripted for ''The Great War. '' This meant many men fighting in the mud and slaughter of the trenches had no choice but to be there, even though they had no right to vote in the country they were fighting for. Perhaps it may be fair to say democracy didn't start in Britian until 1928 when propertyless women also got the right to vote.
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting points. I suppose there may have been a link - admittedly a loose one - between the extent of the franchise and the general level of education (literacy at least) of the franchised groups.

    However I think it would be too restrictive to say there was no democracy before that. Ancient Athens is generally taken to be the cradle of democracy and in that society neither women nor the numerous slaves could vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

    In fact, the gradual extension of the franchise is an interesting phenomenon to contemplate, now that we have extended it so far that really bad decisions can result from it.

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  22. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    In June of 1942, a Japanese sub off the Oregon coast fired 17 shells at Battery Russell of Fort Stevens (which along with Fort Columbia on the other side of the river, was part of the defense for the mouth of the Columbia river). This made it the only continental military installation to take enemy fire during WWII. The commander ordered an immediate black out and refused to allow return fire as to not give away the position of the guns. The only causalities from the bombardment was the backstop for the Fort's baseball field and some telephone wires.
     
  23. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    You're not counting the fire bomb balloons?
     

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