Why is it not open for discussion? Are you not capable of explaining subjective matters? Or are you just here to waste people's time? Devious? How is it devious to take what you said, to wit: "No atheist will ever accept any answer involving reasons and logic..."? I even asked if that was what you meant, so I hardly see any deviousness. Now you have qualified it with "in the matter of faith in God". Okay, but I would still like to see you put forth an answer in the matter of faith in God that involves reason and logic. You have said that no atheist will ever accept one, yet you have yet to present one to even consider. Are you going to? Or is the entire purpose of your involvement here just to cry foul of those that don't share your view yet have an inquiring mind? 'Cos I'm at a loss to otherwise explain your attitude here.