Our attitude concerning mockery of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon

What if there was a film about the dangers of fundamentalist Judaism? About the settlers that jeopardize peace because of Zionist ideals? Isn't that the same general thing as pointing out the dangers of fundamentalist Islam?

 

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I've seen continual references to Palestinians and their "leaders" and "organisations" as if they are the equivalent already of some fully-independent, sovereign state.
This is really Western hubris - they are a conquered and occupied (and oppressed) people. There is a tactic by the Zionists - Israeli PMs and defense and other ministers do this all the time - to treat them like an organised "state", with some kind of army and so on, when the reality is woefully different.

What is stopping the Israelis from just levelling Gaza altogether, and "repatriating" the lot? That's what Hitler and his psycho-buddies Himmler and Goering would have done.

 

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Surely, you can't be that stupid. A prophecy? Hilarious.

Anyone who starts a religion will tell you the same thing, there are people who will not agree with it. Muhammad already thought that one through, that's why he conquered and converted with the sword.

 

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Apparently it was, since that is in fact what they're doing it for. You don't strike me as terribly informed on the topic.

You know they weren't? Because there's no terrorism in Iraq.

 

In the past, yes.

Did you see my post above about internal strife in the ME?

 

Many social studies textbooks for students show the image of an Arab
horseman carrying a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other
conquering and forcibly converting. This, though, is not a correct
portrayal of history. Islam has always given respect and freedom of
religion to all faiths. The Quran says: "God forbids you not, with
regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out
of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God
loveth those who are just. 60:8)

Freedom of religion is laid down in the Quran itself: "There is no
compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right
direction is distinctly clear from error". (2:256) Christian
missionary, T.W. Arnold had this opinion on his study of the question
of the spread of Islam: ".. of any organized attempt to force the
acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any
systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion,
we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of
action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as
Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made
Protestanism ..."

It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of
minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have
flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many
examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph
Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of
worship to all religious communities in the city. Proclaiming to the
inhabitants that their lives, and property were safe, and that their
places of worship would never be taken from them, he asked the
Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him on a visit to all the
holy places. Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up
their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the
minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an
Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or
not.

Racism is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human equality
and how all peoples are equal in the sight of God. "O mankind! We
created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into
nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly,
the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in
piety. God is All-Knowing, All- Aware. (49:13)
http://www.jannah.org/articles/misc.html

 

Occupied by Americans? Nope, yet another strawman argument. Quit trying to change the subject Sam and present your case that the murderous reign of terror waged by Muslim extremists is just. Present your case that it is just to kill innocent people on buses, in malls, in nightclubs, etc..

I've also noticed that you have a very hard time staying on topic and actually discussing the reasons the Prophet Muhammad is mocked and the murderous Muslim attitude about that. Have you been tested for A.D.D.?

 

I thought Muslims believed in Jesus.

 

Well, they seem to have at least as many problems "believing" in stuff as Christians; despite what the "holy book" has to tell the "believers", they've been fighting each other since Islam got established (a lot like how Europe used to be, when there was a Pope with "absolute" authority - lot of good it did him).

There's the Sunni-Shia divide (and a handful of other factions), ethnic and religious wars.
Islam certainly didn't result in any "world peace", or even peace in the Middle East; they're just as wracked and ruined by disagreement and factionalism as Christianity.
Religion, as a universal solution, just doesn't (won't, can't) work; I'll leave it to others to explain why...

What we have nowadays, is two failed religions trying to stand up to each other, like a couple of drunken bums in an alley, staggering around and knocking the bins over (and getting all grubby).

 

First of all, “for 40 years the Muslim world has embarked on a mission of terror and murder with a never ending list of demands that non-Muslims do this or that or else”??? Have we now really? Well, give me a list where the whole Muslim world has “embarked” on this so called campaign of terror.

Secondly, people like me complain when people like you attribute the actions of the few to every single Muslim and put “Muslim” or “Islam” before terrorist attacks or whatever. That is extremely unfair. We are not complaining or defending anything wrong. We just don’t want to be associated by the likes of you to the likes of them. We are different. We are not you and we are not them. But it is exactly this simple fact which minds like yours just do not want to, or are not able to, comprehend.

Thirdly, there have been many terrorist attacks or actions over the last century. You have picked just the ones you consider to be Islamic in an attempt to paint of Islam and all Muslims as that. Why don’t you copy and paste lists of all terrorist attacks in the last century and then show what religion the people adhered to that committed them? Or what ideology they adhered to? You know, Atheist/Communist Russia and China or Capitalism or the Southern Cone of America (Whose ruthless and brutal dictators were supported by the Christian USA and because of those brutal dictatorial regimes “insurgent groups” and “terrorist groups” came into being which actively fought against the US backed government. Kind of like Iraq nowadays.I suggest you read Brasil: Nunca Mais)or the actions of the numerous gangs in the USA (Whose actions, if they were in a Muslim country, you would dub “Islamic terrorism”). It doesn’t matter how many people died there compared to “Mulim countries”, every person killed is just as horrible as the next. You have made a quite frankly pathetic attempt to deny all those other terrorist actions, which you would NEVER classify based on the ideology of the persons carrying them out, but when it comes to Muslims doing something, then it’s all because of Islam and “that’s just how Muslims are” You say the Muslim world is just a bunch hypocrites? Look at yourselves for Gods sakes!

First of all, are the Muslims here not saying how unIslamic these actions are? I believe that’s what we’ve been doing so far? Or have we not?
Secondly, that was a small group of people who have been the victim of US and UK foreign policy for ages now and who suffer daily because of it. But that was a small group dancing. Also, after 9/11, how many race attacks were carried out on Muslims? I would like you to copy and paste that here as well. To quote someone:

Let me also copy and paste what I said in another thread on Muslim condemning and denouncing terrorist attacks:

Now, finally, the question I want to ask you and your friend is that he says the point of these suicide attacks is to kill infidels. Why is it then that most suicide bombers attack Muslims themselves? The Quran explicitly forbids suicide and murder and totally condemns killing a fellow Muslim, yet somehow these “Muslims” always end up suicide bombing other Muslims. Can you give me verses from the Quran telling Muslims to kill other Muslims in this way? If you can’t, then just shut up and don’t go down that ignorant road. Also, can you tell me the number of suicide attacks before and after the illegal Iraq invasion?

The simple fact of the matter is that when you go and kill and occupy a people, take their land, install your own government and then start selling up their land, they are going to retaliate. Suicide bombing is the cheapest and most effective way to do this. But since youre not going to listen or believe me (why would you anyway, you cant see beyond the fact im a Muslim) why don’t you go read what Robert A. Pape has to say about this? Or your beloved President Bush? Or the Dalai Lama?

Also, what about the fact that so many Muslim leaders have condemned suicide bombings and terrorists? Of course, you won’t know that because you are not interested in what the other side thinks. You just turn on Fox News and accept whatever they say. Let me quote from Juan Cole at http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html:

And he gives a link to: http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/bin_laden.html

He continues:

And he gives links to: http://www.usembassyjakarta.org/lawmaker.html and http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...mam.pdf Tantawi Bin Laden James Reston&hl=en respectively.

And he gives a link to: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/17/195606.shtml

And he gives a link to: http://www.islamfortoday.com/qaradawi02.htm

And he gives a link to: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4637/terr42a.html

And he gives a link to: http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/185952
He rounds up his article by saying:

I also advise you to check out these links before condemning Muslims and Islam for allowing terrorist attacks and or not condemning them:
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih004/index.htm
And stop using appeal to pity for gods sakes... 9/11 happened, it was a tragedy, I and a host of other Muslims condemned it and its gone now.

You’re not complaining about hypocrisy, no, you are dumping us in with them. Why? Just because we share the same religion? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

So they are doing it in Gods name and Christianity? You just said they werent. And then im the one not terribly informed on the topic.
Nah, lets just let all the people spreading hatred and lies spread them. /sarcasm

There is terrorism in Iraq. There wasn’t before the US lead us into this war based on lies. There wasn’t terrorism before the US-lead illegal invasion lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. There wasn’t any terrorism or support for it before the US-led illegal invasion started destroying houses and infrastructure and torturing people in prisons. Don’t act all high and mighty. If that was your country being invaded like that you wouldn’t just sit by and let it happen either. You’d act like the colonial terrorists did against the British.

 

Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance. Today, however, some circles have been presenting a false image of Islam, as if there were conflict between Islam and the adherents of the two other monotheistic religions. Yet Islam's view of Jews and Christians, who are named "the People of the Book" in the Koran, is very friendly and tolerant.

This attitude towards the People of the Book developed during the years of the birth of Islam. At that time, Muslims were a minority, struggling to protect their faith and suffering oppression and torture from the pagans of the city of Mecca. Due to this persecution, some Muslims decided to flee Mecca and shelter in a safe country with a just ruler. The Prophet Muhammad told them to take refuge with King Negus, the Christian king of Ethiopia. The Muslims who followed this advice found a very fair administration that embraced them with love and respect when they went to Ethiopia. King Negus refused the demands of the pagan messengers who asked him to surrender the Muslims to them, and announced that Muslims could live freely in his country.

Such attitudes of Christian people that are based on the concepts of compassion, mercy, modesty and justice, constitute a fact that God has pointed out in the Koran. A verse of the Koran states:

… You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida, 82)



The Common Beliefs and Values of the People of the Book with Muslims

Christian and Muslim belief have many aspects in common. Judaism too shares many beliefs with Islam. All true adherents of these three great religions:


believe that God has created the entire universe out of nothing and that He dominates all that exists with His omnipotence.

believe that God has created man and living things in a miraculous way and that man possesses a soul granted him by God.

believe that besides Jesus, Moses or Muhammad, God sent many prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Joseph throughout history, and they love all these prophets.

believe in resurrection, Heaven and Hell and angels, and that God has created our lives with a certain destiny.
The beliefs of the People of the Book are in harmony with Muslims, not only in terms of faith-related issues, but also of moral values. Today, in a world where such immoralities as adultery, homosexuality, drug addiction and a model of egoism and self-seeking cruelty have grown widespread, the People of the Book and Muslims share the same virtues: Honor, chastity, humility, self-sacrifice, honesty, compassion, mercy and unconditional love…



According To The Koran, Muslims, Jews And Christians Should Live In Friendship

It is evident there are ample grounds for an alliance between the "People of the Book" and Muslims. This is also very evident in the Koran. In the relevant verses of the Koran, there is a significant difference between the People of the Book and the idolaters. This is especially emphasized in the area of social life. For example, it is said concerning the idolaters: "(they) are unclean, so after this year they should not come near the Masjid al-Haram (Kaaba)." (Surat at-Tawba: 28) Idolaters are people who obey no divine law, have no moral precepts and who are capable of committing every kind of degrading and perverse action without hesitation.

But while they basically rely on God's revelation, the People of the Book have moral precepts and know what is lawful and what is not. For this reason, if one of the People of the Book cooks some food, it is lawful for Muslims to eat it. In the same way, permission has been given for a Muslim man to marry a woman from among the People of the Book. On this subject God commands:

Today all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of those given the Book is also lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. So are chaste women from among the believers and chaste women of those given the Book before you, once you have given them their dowries in marriage, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. But as for anyone who disbelieve, his actions will come to nothing and in the hereafter he will be among the losers. (Surat al-Mai'da: 5)

These commands show that bonds of kinship may be established as a result of the marriage of a Muslim with a woman from the People of the Book, and that those on each side of the union can accept an invitation to a meal. These are the fundamentals that will ensure the establishment of equitable human relationships and a happy communal life. Since the Koran enjoins this equitable and tolerant attitude, it is unthinkable that a Muslim could take an opposing view.



Monasteries, Churches And Synagogues Should Be Respected

Another important fact we learn from the Koran is that Muslims must respect Jewish and Christian places of worship. In the Koran, the places of worship of the People of the Book, i.e. monasteries, churches and synagogues, are mentioned as places of worship protected by God.

…if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God's name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him - God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Surat al-Hajj: 40 )

This verse shows all Muslims the importance of respecting and protecting the sanctuaries of Christians and Jews.

Indeed, in the Koran God commands Muslims not to harbor any enmity towards any people. In many verses, friendship is recommended, even with idolaters. God even refers to the idolaters at war with Muslims in this way: "If any of the idolaters ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of God. Then convey them to a place where they are safe." (Surat at-Tawba: 6)

Jews and Christians, however, are much closer to Muslims than idolaters. Each of these religions has its book, that is, they are subject to a revelation sent down by God. They know what is right and what is wrong, what is lawful and what is unlawful. They know they will give an account to God, and they love and revere His prophets. This shows that Muslims and the people of the book can live easily together and cooperate.



The Common Enemies of the Faith

Another important fact that draws Christianity, Judaism and Islam together is the atheist philosophies that are so influential in our time.

Among the best-known and most harmful philosophies of our age can be cited materialism, communism, fascism, anarchism, racism and secular humanism. Many people who believed in the fake diagnoses, deceptive descriptions and explanations of these ideas on the universe, society and man, have lost their faith or doubted it. What is more, these ideologies have dragged people, societies and nations into great crises, conflicts and wars. Their share of the blame for the pain and troubles that humanity suffers today is immense.

While they deny God and creation, all the above-mentioned ideologies are based on a common framework, a so-called scientific basis; Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Darwinism constitutes the basis of atheist philosophies. This theory claims that living beings have evolved as a result of coincidences and by means of a struggle for life. Therefore, Darwinism sends this deceptive message to people:

"You are not responsible to anyone, you owe your life to coincidences, you need to struggle, and if necessary to oppress others to succeed. This world is one of conflict and self-interest".

This evil morality advises people to be egoistical, self-seeking, cruel and oppressive. It destroys such virtues as mercy, compassion, self-sacrifice and humility, the moral values of the three great monotheistic religions.

This being the case, it is necessary for the people of the Book and Muslims to cooperate, since they believe in God and accept the morality that He teaches. The followers of these three religions should expose to the world the fallacy of Darwinism, which has no scientific basis, but which is trying to be preserved for the sake of materialist philosophy. They should cooperatively carry out an intellectual struggle against all other deceptive ideas that serve atheism. Once this is realized, the world will, in a very short time, embrace peace, tranquility and justice.



Conclusion: "Let us Rally to a Common Formula"

At a time when anti-religious, atheist and materialist ideologies surround the world, similarities among theistic religions should be emphasized, and cooperation should be established for common aims.

Concerning the People of the Book, God gives Muslims a command in the Koran; to rally to a common formula:

O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding on both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God. (Surat Al 'Imran, 64)

This is indeed our call to Christians and Jews: As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path.

When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way;

When they understand that they are friends not enemies,

When they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism,

then the world will become a very different place.

The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula".

TAKEN FROM
http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/people_of_the_book_the_muslims.html

 

tresbien, it's not atheism that threatens theism. It's reality and education. Face it, paranormal superstition is doomed.

 

Which circles would that be? Al Qaeda? Islamic Jihad? Hamas? Ansar al-Islam? Fatah al-Islam? Hezbollah? Palestinian Islamic Jihad? Taliban? and hundreds more practicing terror and murder in the name of Allah?

Where are the masses of peaceful, loving tolerant Muslims shouting down these groups and denouncing them as unIslamic? Their silence is deafening...

 

Actually, that has been refuted here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=77720

It has been demonstrated beyond a doubt that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, love and intolerance. In fact, quite the opposite.

 

This bs has also been refuted in places like http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1756109&postcount=208

 

Biblical propaganda does not support biblical propaganda.

 

Generalizations are a logical fallacy and render the argument void.

 

Helps to remove the ear plugs

Or learn English properly, at least, if more than one language is beyond your capabilities.

Then learn to use google.

 

Islam should be judged by two reliable sources The Holy Quran and Sunnah the prophet's tradition.I wish u could read some saying of the prophet Mohamed may peace be upon him and read Quran and to understand it rather than saying qaeda does or this or that does.