Out of Body Experience

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by kmguru, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you would think that if the near death experience was just a dying brain phenomena people would see angels in gossamer gowns and swan's feather wings.

    But they dont. If you check the huge body of testimonial evidence you'll find that spirits are perceived by the near death experiencer most often as beings of light. No wings, no clothing, no shoes...just a glowing body of light.

    http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html
     
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  3. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Polymorph

    I would think that beings that are spiritual would have the ability to change form as compared to humans who are bound to one body and one form. For example, God is described as dressing Himself with light as a garment and wearing clouds for vestments or at other times He can be described as a very huge higher vibration man-like being who rides upon the wings of the wind. I would say that angels have the ability to switch their wings on and off or maybe the lower angels are the only ones with wings (or other way around).
     
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  5. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    you missed my point or intentionally distort it. I did not suggest NDE would have anyting to do with seeing angels or devils - I only mentioned to show that the Opra effect or Yung's archetypes is real. Humans do have common conceptions about some things they never have experienced. Those of the NDE are even part of the common reference to god while very much alive such as the "source of illumination" as "radiant" as "glorious" etc. Obviously in a NDE they will not change these ideas but repeat them again.
     
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  7. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    I have 50+ self-induced OBEs. I haven't in about a year now though. But anyone experienced in meditating should be able to do one as easily as I can.

    You have to be focused enough to observe your body fall asleep. From there is it simple manipulation of the pre-dream state into tricking your mind that you depart from it. It is quite different from an ordinary dream, but still only a dream.
     
  8. l_e_cox Registered Member

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    The spirit-mind-body model

    I subscribe to the spirit-mind-body model of existence and experience.

    It is an old model, and has never been fully accepted or validated by the scientific community, but has never been disproved.

    Recent research using this model has come up with some very interesting possibilities regarding finding more workable truths about human thought and experience. None of this research, as far as I know, has been conducted by actual "scientists."

    An example of what this research has discovered is the apparency that creation, or the cycle of creation, starts with the spirit; or more generally, that the physical world has a non-physical but intentional origin. This may appear to only be relevant in cosmology and theology but it has far-reaching implications in the physical and biological sciences.

    For instance, this idea presents us with the possibility that life forms are a product of intelligent engineering. This has been validated by the research done so far.

    Another ramification of this model is that the mind is essentially a non-material (energy) construct that was designed prior to the design of many of the complex body forms that we are familiar with today. In this model, the mind provides an intermediate control path between the spirit entity and the body (or bodies) it is controlling. This gives us more of a robot analogy for the body. The controller (or programmer) of the robot may exist at some distance from it and still exert control through the intermediate mental connection. Just as you would never expect a robot to originate creative ideas or its own emotions, per this model, you would not expect such manifestations in humans to originate in the body or the brain, but only to be reflected there, as a complex series of responses to what is essentially an exterior command point.

    When a person is severely injured or medicated and actually moves away from its body, then decides to return to the body to assist in its recovery, the person may be capable of recalling what happened while they were "away." The great variety of stories that come out of out-of-body-experiences may have many different explanations. This would be an interesting line of research. But if the fundamental model, which I believe is much more workable than the brain-equals-mind model, is rejected as fully as it seems to be rejected these days, then no one in the scientific community will even try to figure out how to test it or how to use it.

    I know for sure that this model has been used outside the scientific community with results that could at least be characterized as "helpful." Some would be much more enthusiastic about this than what I have expressed here. We also have, at least, the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson on last-life recalls to give us some encouragement in pursuing this line of research more vigorously.
     
  9. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Ten Dimensions

    I would agree and would also say that superstring theory definitely agrees with this. According to the theory, the "strings" are coiled up in 1-D (I know, one dimension) particles, or the quarks found in all nucleons. If one were to somehow "open" up these particles the other six dimensions (or other 7 dimensions since we can't perceive the 4th) would be unlocked. Based on this, we know that nucleons are founded on a particular configuration of quarks, and these nucleons combine in various configurations and in different numbers to account for different atomic numbers, and that it's these atoms that make up the molecules that make up matter, we know the universe boils back down to the 10 dimensions.

    Theologically, according to the Book of Enoch, God told Enoch that He founded the universe, the Earth, and all sentient life on what was already there in the spiritual realm (on what was invisible).
     
  10. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    eh before this thread turns mystical and wacky I want to re-emphasize one point

    OBE is nothing mystical. There are thousands of records especially if you were to look up the effects of dissociative drugs. If you believe in dreaming, you also believe in Obes. Remember guys, there is no voodoo here.
     
  11. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    First of all your first of all

    First of all, "Mr. First of All", this thread is under philosophy (Eastern Philosophy at that) and therefore does not count as scientific or technical but "mystical". Who's at the wrong now. If you want to mark your input as technical and "skeptical", go ahead. There's two sides to everything.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That would be why you introduced the nonsensical assertion:
    Like "right" and "wrong" sides?
     
  13. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    It wasn't directed at you. It was more or less a gasp of frustration, as I like the subject matter but never the way it is discussed. So my apologies, post whatever you want there are no objections from me.

    Just out of curiosity, why do you feel more comfortable in mystical things than in scientific things?
     
  14. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

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    Both

    I feel comfortable in both, but science fails to explain a lot of things that are more readily clarified by mysticism and philosophy.
     
  15. Mandana Registered Senior Member

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    An anesthetic that causes out of body experience is Ketamine or Special K.
     
  16. timtoyou Registered Member

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    First time post so do pardon any fous pas

    O.B.E is to me a dream state that moment when your woken in the middle of a dream , your asleep but aware ,on the edge of R.E.M and besides its imposible to be two places at a time ,unless that is you happen to be a photon.
     
  17. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    Erhhh? Hm. :shy:
     
  18. sweet!!!!!!!!!!
     
  19. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) will play a part in this study? It's been postulated that upon death the pineal gland secretes a huge dose of this chemcial. This would explain why people who have near death experiences commonly report of having an "out of body experience". It's also been hypothesized that DMT is responsible for the "visual aspects" of dreaming, since the brain produces DMT during REM sleep.

    The most interesting part about DMT is hearing, and reading peoples experiences who take the drug. Even though the experiences are largely subjective they all share a few common traits. First, anyone who's taken the drug has explained that it almost hits you immediately, your eyes close, and you see, and feel yourself being pulled through a worm-hole. Once your pulled through that wormhole you see a mind-bending display of pulsating geometric shapes. Upon entering almost everyone reports of seeing "elf like creatures" who calls themselves the helpers. At this point, the test subjects report of being both astounded and terrified. Many test subjects have also reported that these helpers tell them "don't give in to astonishment". I find it fascinating that many people report these same occurrences.

    If there ever was a real authentic out of body experience, I believe DMT is the gateway drug. Here's some first hand accounts of people explaining their "out of body experiences".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx5PI93bDyY&feature=related
     

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