Parallel Selves?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Alexander1304, Oct 30, 2015.

  1. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    This is taken from skeptics forum:

    http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26169

    What are your thoughts about that story?



    "Many years ago when I first moved to Wyoming, I became good friends with Jim, my next-door neighbor. After a couple years I moved out of the neighborhood and we lost track of each other.

    I ran into Jim again at a party about four years ago. We were having a friendly chat when I mentioned the time we were next-door neighbors. A blank look came over his face. He said he’d never lived in that house. In fact, he said, he didn’t even know me back then. I was stunned and speechless.

    Seth, as channelled by Jane Roberts, talks about our multidimensional selves. That is, we live in parallel realities, not just the one we’re currently aware of. Seth even encourages us to play with switching our awareness, focusing among our various selves and realities.

    That doesn’t fully explain to me what happened at that party four years ago. Obviously I’d experienced two parallel realities—two realities that were virtually identical except for one difference. In one reality Jim and I lived next door to each other, and in the other we did not.
    I’m not sure how or why that happened. But it doesn’t really matter to me now. As my spirit guides often say, just be in the present moment. Just experience all the joy, peace, and power of this now-moment. It’s all we have. "
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    It is, as are the majority of your threads, utter bollocks.
    Apart from anything IN the story, post #3 on that link should have been a clue. (Jane Roberts/ Seth).
    Another clue would have been looking at the website where the story was posted: more bollocks.
     
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  5. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    I know that You consider me troll,but thank You for the response,anyway.Just surprising to see You on Parapsychology stuff.You banned me from the scienceforum - no offense
     
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  7. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, IF the story was real at all. His friend Jim might have been pulling a prank. If you've got a an ex-neighbor with a blog like that, then why not genially punk him from time to time? Jim might be losing his memory via either a medical condition or age-related problems. The blogger himself might have hallucinated the whole incident or have false memories due to a bad meds combo.

    But just why is it so hard to believe that the world has an ample supply of convincing prevaricators who seem to seriously believe what they say or write? He could simply, deliberately have fabricated the episode (this "Jim" may have never existed as neighbor).
     
  8. Alexander1304 Registered Senior Member

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    See,on some other forum one person claim to surface internet and a lot of such stories.He also claims that some people claim to prove with equations that we travel through universes - many worlds theory.I just wonder what they prove.If they just claim to prove many worlds theory with equations,that it is still matter of debate among scientists
     
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  11. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    In a scientifically-informed and rational public arena, anecdotes about strange occurrences don't validate an unconventional belief. Such events (when personally encountered without the effects of chemical substances, medical states, and skewered perspective / interpretation) CAN substantiate a revelation for the individual(s) directly involved. But not everyone else. IOW, if something crazy literally did transpire in association with _x_ person(s), nothing can take away that interior fact that they acquired privileged information. But being so privileged, it provides no knowledge expansion for a methodologically-regulated community (excluded are subcultures of the gullible and attention-seeking and the profit-motivated who will ingest a story without deep scrutiny).

    Aside from the very high potential of non-paranormal explanations for it, an isolated happening also remains anomalous if there is no (mainstream-accepted) general principle or hypothesis to subsume it as a member or cause. As an orphaned miracle, it accordingly offers no predictability and power of insight as to its origin (if any), and remains scientifically untestable. Even if it infrequently occurs again but lacks any sensible pattern, it may still resist finding a slot, or thereby becomes all the more vulnerable to being explained by conventional territory.

    Back to those personal contexts: It is possible for an individual to connect scattered events in their lives into meaningful sequences or conceptions -- to ignore the brush-off of a statistical stance, to view those pariedolia-ish interpretations as something "magical" or disrupting of typical conformities. As if either a noumenal agent or a transcendent counterpart of one's mind was injecting a half-hidden order / plan into one's life. But even if that was metaphysically the case, such noumenal influences by definition would be converted into the "natural way", their provenance would be realized as natural circumstances on this side -- as the causes and probabilities arising from the inter-dependence of ordinary and scientific phenomena.

    So it's as much ludicrous futility to campaign that such loose, subjective inferences receive respect by the science enterprise as it is to contend creationism does. Conceptions about specific personal happenings that are only privately sustainable don't qualify for empirical battle in the public or inter-subjective arena. Although it's not right to deny a person or small clique privately having them. As long as those conclusions sit passively upon the shelf as far as interfering measurably with vast tracts of society (which might exceed the character of those interpretations to do so to begin with). Science does not involve a "genocide" effort to eradicate of all that is not science; that is scientism's job.

    Otherwise, you can remain confident that you're secure in a no-funny business reality as far as any significant or outrageous disturbances on a public scale (at least during the run of your experience of THIS world -- your lifetime and those humans surviving after you). The bottom line is that the external realm featured via our perceptual sensations and understood by our thoughts and experiments is a spatiotemporal system of natural governance. Should there actually be any supersensible deviations that slip by that nomological transductive filter, the system will always guarantee that there are explanations which don't have to appeal to the often undisciplined paranormal imagination. Or they just remain orphaned anomalies belonging to no template of regularity whatsoever (as currently endorsed by physics, etc). Which in consequence they would make no impact upon altering mainstream paradigms.

    If the multiverse ever develops into accepted standard fare of science, then note that the latter's version still fell out of theoretical physics, not New Age speculations and beliefs (and is not mingled with offshoots of those).
     
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  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    I like your threads. They are very interesting. Dont let anyone keep you from speculating and wondering about any possibilities, however it may seem improbable to others or current science. Its natural and even healthy to do so.

    If people didnt wonder beyond what is known or proven, nothing new would be discovered.

    This is why einstein said imagination is so important. Things dont come to neat in a box. If you have an inclination or intuition, explore it. If you have a wacky idea that fascinates you, explore that too.
     
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    In a way, everyone does have parallel selves as there are different parts of you. They are very distinct and unique but integrated into a whole to make one you. You can disassociate from different parts too. Some parts may be unnecessary or even unhealthy, then they would be similar to appendages.

    There is psychology that depending on the nature of the personality aspect that is disassociated, it can actually cause problems subconsciously even working against the self.
     
  15. Silver80 Registered Member

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    It's interesting, this need to believe in something else. I was walking down the street a few years ago and saw my sister across the road, except I knew that my sister was in Germany at the time. But it was amazing, this woman looked exactly like her, even down to the way she walked. But not for one minute did I attribute this to some paranormal issue. It was a bit strange, yes, but there are so many people on this planet, it's not entirely unbelievable that there's someone else with enough similar combinations of genes to look very similar.
    That was probably the situation with Jim, he just looked very similar. Either that or he was pretending

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  16. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Asimov once conjectured that belief in nonsense is a conserved quantity.

    It might be a valid claim.

    The subjects of belief change, but the amount of belief in nonsense could be a constant.

    When encountering strange claims, I have difficulty deciding on the cause: Lies or hallucinations?
     
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  17. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    In all the parallel realities in which I exist I am quite assured of the fact that there are no parallel realities. I have confirmed this through gestalt inter-dimensional entangled vortex manipulation exchanges with my doppelgangers.
     
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  19. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    My initial speculation is that the narrator probably mis-identified the 'Jim' he met at the party as being the same 'Jim' he had once lived next door to. As he himself says, it had been 'many years ago'.
     
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    On top of that, I know Jim quite well and I know he has never lived in Wyoming.
     
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    I am seriously interested in this conversation.

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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    According to Hazen it depends on amount of time, space, and conditions. Chemistry being the fundamental mathematical architecture of all matter and organisms, the enormous resources combined with time and space makes the possibility for rare events *probabilistic*.

    He estimates that the earth itself has performed some 2 trillion, quadrillion, quadrillion, quadrillion different chemical interactions during its lifetime. And we can see the result of such large numbers all around us. Now if we compare this to the number of chemical interactions possible in the rest of the universe, one can readily see that the probability for a rare event is actually quite large, if not inevitable.

    The key word of course is that it must be logically and mathematically *possible* to begin with.

    p.s. In context of the OP , I believe many such questions can be answered by the study of our Mirror Neural Network (System) and it's role in our lives.
     
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    Write4U,

    Could a complex mathematical formula give rise to self-awareness in the universe of reality?
     

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