Pay cash = no tax

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    When a seller suggests that if you pay in cash you won't have to pay the tax, is that because they intend to not report it, and will pocket the money?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. No record of the transaction.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So they just fudge the loss of inventory?

    I feel like, by agreeing, I am becoming complicit in a criminal act.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You are.
     
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  8. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I will always pay tax, because I never carry cash. There's a way out? lol
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, depends what it is. If it's a soda or some popcorn, there's really no inventory to track. (Of course if it's a car they are taking a much bigger risk.)
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    A 20-bundle of stogies.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah.

    My price for becoming a criminal is higher than the $18 in tax.
     
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  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    lol!! ^^
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    there is a vast difference in the intended outcome and criminal liability concept depending on the nature of the product or service.

    effectively all products and services are taxed to private purchase.
    however, company's can claim rebates on the sales tax and label the item or service as a wholesale exchange
    business to business sale

    if your business purchases the Cuban cigars from another business then you can just pay the money you agree to and not have to pay sales tax.
    income duty is a little different, as you MUST pay that.

    at one stage many businesses were struggling with very high credit rates so they would push the idea of doing cash business to help the business make better money by increasing cash flow while decreasing income to credit ratios to make the business appear to be doing better while allowing the loss to be leveraged against the borrowing so they could pay less tax and cost on the money they are borrowing for the business.

    its all very complicated and tricky and many very well educated people make millions operating like that for big corporate.
    corporate typically employ people for those sole purposes to ensure they utilize every possible loop hole

    while many claim this is legitimate, there is a heavy emphasis on the poorest of society to make them criminals for avoiding paying tax.

    it is a very classicist based reality.

    big companys pay only around 3% tax
    working class pay around 25% to 45% (when you add sales tax and income tax to purchase something with wages the average working class pays around 55% tax)


    effectively the person is asking if you would like to pay cash.
    they are not explicitly asking you if you wish to break the law and become a tax evader.
    though knowingly evading paying tax is a crime.

    tax evading
    Vs
    tax avoidance
    avoiding having to pay it is legal
    evading having to pay it is illegal

    what we need to see is more government action seizing assets of companys and big corporate for "funded by illegal money"

    the balance is currently tipped in the favour of punishing private ownership instead of punishing corporatised illegal asset acquirement through money laundering of illegal acts like mass pollution and worker abuse etc.

    acts like slavery and pollution of the environment and injuring more than for example 3 people
    should be listed as a deliberate illegal act to gain profit from
    thus making it illegal earning and allowing the company assets to be seized.

    i am quite surprised it has not been started yet by the American legal society in an attempt to secure justice for those victimized by businesses

    a good example would be deliberately building sub standard housing and high rises where people get sick or they collapse or catch fire etc.

    special powers by virtue of market position as a specialist like a water contractor to flint government etc...

    who profited by illegally poisoning the people ?
    the profit was gained by an illegal act

    waste dumping ...
    etc etc there is no shortage of examples
    however the financing of private people in illegally obtained money seems to be applied as a elitists un fair application against civilians instead of the offending act of illegality.
     
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  14. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Some things are illegal, but not immoral; some are legal and immoral.
    The very biggest tax-evasion schemes are completely legal, and to add insult to injury, the tax evader is legally allowed to write off the fees of lawyers and accountants who are advise him on how to do it.
    What government does with the taxes it collects is also legal, though very often immoral.
    I evade taxes in very selective circumstances: If I'm convinced that the tax itself is wrong; if I hate the government that would benefit; if the transaction is petty (under $1000) with a local individual or small business barely making ends meet, on whom the tax burden is unnecessarily and unfairly heavy.
     
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  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Vigilante justice in other words. You get this kind of thing more (than in the U.S.) in more highly taxed countries.
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing like vigilante justice!! Nobody's getting tarred and feathered - much as out current premier might deserve it.
    It is the simple application of independent judgment to the duties of citizenship.
    "more (than in the U.S.)"
    How would you know? Why would it be so? ... and ...
    I don't believe you. I suspect Americans are the world's most taxt-allergic people.
     
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    I always ask for a cash discount.
    I always pay my helpers in cash.
    I ain't particularly interested in who does or does not pay their taxes.
    I am always meticulously honest when dealing with the IRS.
    I have been audited several times and never had to pay more as a result.
    One year, the auditor found that I had overpaid my taxes bu over $1,000(oops). She too was meticulously honest and made sure that I got a refund.
    I do not consider taxes any more of a burden than having to buy fuel for my vehicles.

    ..................................................
    Anyone know any good taxation jokes?
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    I recently discovered that my local gun shop offers a veterans discount of 10%---OOPS ...pity I did not ask about that 30 years ago.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    There is another angle that may have nothing to do with cheating or taxes.
    Some people want to be paid in cash, simply because they don't trust banks (anymore/ever) or they're Mennonites and or it's just plain easier not to make an extra trip into town and wait a week for them to release your money - and charge you for the inconvenience. Banks can be a pain in the ass - maybe it's them we want to cut out, not the tax-man.
    Out in the country, a lot of people do casual work for neighbours or sell used equipment 'over the fence' or barter one for the other. They don't account for every little transaction. So what?
     
  22. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Whats the difference between death and taxes? Congress doesn’t meet once a year to make death worse.

    A fine is a tax for doing something wrong,
    A tax is a fine for doing something right.

    Donald Trump’s name as a Sith Lord: Taxi Vader.

    That’s about it from me... you’ve been a wonderful audience... goodnight!
     
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  23. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    also
    credit card transaction fees can be as high as 4.5%
     

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