Pearl Harbor Day, WWII memorial stir sad, grim memories

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  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    BY ANI MARTINEZ
    armartinez@MiamiHerald.com

    CANDACE WEST / MIAMI HERALD STAFF
    Eugene Campbell and George Makris, who fought at Leyte Gulf, and the crew of USS Leyte Gulf mark 20th anniversary of USS Leyte Gulf's commissioning.
    » More Photos In 1943, Eugene Campbell couldn't wait another year to fight for his country. So he changed the date on his birth certificate and enlisted in the U.S. Navy during World War II.

    He was just 16.

    Today, Campbell recalls his military career with honor -- and sadness.

    ''Truthfully, the war is something I try to forget because there are so many bad memories. Today is about remembrance and sadness,'' said Campbell, 81.

    ``We remember how lucky we are to be alive, the battles we fought and the men we lost.''

    On Thursday, the Broward County Council of the Navy League celebrated the 63rd anniversary of the Battle of Leyte Gulf in the Philippines, the largest naval battle during World War II.

    On Friday, the Navy League will host a ceremony recalling another famous battle of World War II, Pearl Harbor, at the U.S. Coast Guard Station in John U. Lloyd Beach State Park.

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  3. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    This is the wrong demographic for honor, commitment, loyalty and self-sacrifice.
     
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  5. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    The Japanese stole the idea for Pearl Harbour (note the "U") from us Brits at Taranto when we sank half the Italian fleet. Just like when they started making all those little roadster cars.

    You've got to hand it to them though, when they take someone else's idea they always do it better.
     
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  7. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Mr. G : "This is the wrong demographic for honor, commitment, loyalty and self-sacrifice."

    Speak for yourself. We've served in the Navy for generations in my family, and I remember these sacrifices with strong feelings.
     
  8. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Japan was simply repaying America in kind .
    What goes around , comes around .
     
  9. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Then it came back around...

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  10. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    As it always does .

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  11. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    House Nippon did that ?
    :bugeye:

    I thought it was an "inside job"...

    You know - Building 7... fire can't burn steel... & all like that there...
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Foly put another layer of tinfoil on.

    9/11 was the same kind of foolishness that the Japanese committed at Pearl Harbor, and this is how it finished for Japan at Nagasaki, and Hiroshima;

    The pay back is still on the way for the Terrorist and anyone who wishs to support them, you included.
     
  13. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    And here it comes...
     
  14. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    It is the same scenario , just different countries , it is the product of International meddling .
    Which led to Pearl Harbour .
    Which led to 9/11 .
    America has over played their card on this one :
    America will be on Welfare soon , Al Qaeda wins.
    God stands by the powerless victims of the strong .
    You will have to answer for your support of evil .
     
  15. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Japan wouldn't surrender, so Yankleton D.C ordered more of their women and children killed while they slept so they wouldn't have to actually invade. Home of the free, land of the uh....well not very brave in light of that.
     
  16. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Funny that you mention terrorism since the A-Bomb attacks were the two largest terrorist attacks in history. Shall I whip out the dictionary definition of terrorism for you AGAIN?
     
  17. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Foley, higher oil prices help the US dollar.
     
  18. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Invading Japan wouldn't have been an example of bravery in the light of the advent of the atom bombs, it would have been foolishness.


    No.

    Destruction of military targets.
     
  19. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Foolish, but at least, well, not terrorism.

    Women and children are military targets? Universities? Schools? Nurseries? Hospitals? Libraries and museums? You americans have an "interesting" take on war.
     
  20. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    America's responsibility was to her own.
    With the initiation of hostile actions, the Japanese gov't assumed tacit responsibility for whatever outcome their decision to do so might have resulted in, be it the establishment of their touted "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere", or the incineration of every single solitary square inch of Japanese territory.
    Natrually, their desire was not that the latter occur, but the ultimate responsibility for the fact that it came as close to actually occuring as it did remains with them. Had they the level of regard for the lives of the Japanese people as they did for their grandiose schemes, they would have surrendered when the fact of their defeat was evident.


    Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops.

    The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.


    Military targets.
     
  21. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    LOL! Blaming it on the Japanese now? I suppose they dropped those bombs on themselves too?

    Bullshit. Civilian women and children are not targets in war, no matter what their government do. If you think they are, and you won't denounce the A-Bombings, then you are a terrorist, and you support acts of terrorism. If that's the case you'd better turn yourself in at Guantanamo bay.

    They would have bombed it long before if it had any real military significance....and if for any reason they couldn't, why didn't they bomb it with conventional bombers using those alledgedly amazing yank bombsights? Both cities had absolutely NO Anti-aircraft defenses capable of stopping such aircraft (evidently!) so why did they have to destroy the whole city and its women and children? You'll believe anything apparently.
     
  22. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    Neither city was attacked prior because GEN Spaatz (and others) wanted pristine landscape to test the weapon and analyze its effects. Not because it lacked "military significance".

    Lack of defensive countermeasures doesn't make a target less legitimate, it makes its defenders foolish. Also, Japan had no air defense capability remaining island-wide at the time of the attacks so I'm not sure what your point is.

    Proximity of noncombatants (civilians, women, children, kittens and bunnies), while unfortunate, is (thankfully) not a precluding factor for a target being legitimate.

    This derail is retarded.
     
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  23. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    I notice that you use the euphemism "noncombatants" instead of civilians or women and children. Does that make it easier on the conscience?
     

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