Perfectly evil God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    What I dont understand is why we dont nail folk to a cross anymore.
    Its obviously the Christians fault, they have had it banned so it now stands out and only associated with Jesus.
    Another marketing trick... Buy one get another two free... I give it to them it is value for money really.
    I would have done the same myself, well probably not I tend to focus on others rather then try to hog the main stage.
    Its sortta bragging in my view.
    I think I get it.... Its all made up.

    Alex
     
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  5. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I'm you'll have to point it out, as I have no idea what you're refering to.

    Don't worry about it, just show your so called evidence.

    Is that your evidence that there made up cosmology in the Bible?

    I can see the problem.

    I would tend to go with the judge on that one.

    The message has to be received and understood in order to make sense of it.

    You mean Chinese Whispers? Yes.
    If the message is passed on clearly, so that everyone can clearly hear what is being said, there's no reason why the word or phrase would change.

    You can suggest what you like, but you still need to show where there is made up cosmology in the Bible. It's a simple request.

    Be that as you perceive it to be, but..

    What does that have to do with the message?

    What is the ''truth''?

    Could it be you know that God exists, but deny it?


    Could it be that it is innate?

    I don't, and I don't believe you do either.

    Is this lecture going somewhere?

    Either show the evidence of don't. I won't ask again.

    jan.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I know, just as Hitler ruined the mustache the Christians ruined the cross.
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
    Again?
    I spoke of my disappointment of matters in the new testament Jan not the made up stuff in the old testament. You really need to familiarise yourself with the bible. Get yourself a copy rather than rely upon me to quote parts to you, which you fail to address anyway.
    I see we are both joking.
    Congratulations for arriving at an inescapable conclusion.
    It also helps that a message is not couched in symbolism to avoid misunderstanding which is why parrables was a poor choice of style for who ever it was who claimed to present the words of Jesus many many years after Jesus spoke whatever words that were alledged he spoke.
    Well one would reasonably expect such but unfortunately as the game illustrates a message becomes horribly corrupted as it is passed one to another.
    We dont allow heresay evidence in our courts because it is well recognised that such evidence is always unreliable. It is most unfortunate that the alledged words of Jesus is heresay evidence at best, passed from one to another over many many years before someone decided to record the final version. It is such a pity we can never know what Jesus actually said and I sincerely mean that, but his words are forever lost and we have to rely on a second hand, third hand or more account recorded almost a century later.
    Jan I know I have glossed over my claims but it is best that you get a copy of the bible and read it. Page one will surprise you and provide you will undeniable evidence of made up stuff.
    Please take some time away from chatting on the net and read a bible. The bible is my authority that religion is just stuff made up by superstitious ancients.
    Everything Jan absolutely everything.

    Facts that you find much too inconvenient to address or acknowledge.
    You wish.
    You wish.
    My conclusion was formed from reading it, did you read it after I pointed out that given the author was not present at the events he writes about I conclude he made up his story.
    Just because I have pointed out facts you find inconvenient Jan does not make my post a lecture. That is the responce one could expect from a child when you point out that drinking and driving causes deaths on the road. Lecture indeed. I have been purposely light hearted and you cry lecture... Jan think how such a cry errodes your high standing here.
    Why say that when you know you will.
    I show you evidence you ignore it and ask again for evidence.
    You seem not to be interested in finding the truth which you can find in a bible if you had one or read one, Jan I could tattoo evidence on your forehead but you would refuse to look in the mirror.

    May I take this opportunity to wish you all the best for Christmas Jan.
    And may I also wish Jesus a happy birthday, so many people forget that is what Christmas is about.
    Alex
     
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  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Likewise.

    jan.
     
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  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    God IS the standard?

    Why would God hurt people?
    We're pretty capable of hurting ourselves.

    Are you?

    Then don't keep going back to this nonsensical notion you have about God.
    Go and read scriptures if you wñt to kñôw about God's nature, tĥen come back and discuss what you've learned.

    Sounds reasonable?

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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Is God a being, or an abstraction?

    If God is evil, then I guess God likes seeing people suffer.

    Why wouldn't God hurt people? Can you give me any reason?

    What nonsensical notion?

    Ok. Let's consider the bible and what it tells us that Jesus said, for example.

    Jesus said God is good. That God is the Father who cares for all people. And so on and so forth.

    But maybe Jesus just had an incorrect human perception of God. What do you think?
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    God might be an abstraction but baby Jesus was a baby. Baby Jesus is the popular one kind of like young Elvis.
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    This verse from Bg may answer your question...

    Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.

    There's no need to.


    ''Why does God set this Standard that torture and killing are evil
    ...''

    What does it mean?

    Actually Jesus said...

    Luke 18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit life?"
    19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good - except God alone."

    IOW God is the standard.

    jan.
     
  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    If you want the thread to end why don't request it?
    Then you can stop acting like a douche.

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  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Nup. Doesn't seem relevant to what I asked.

    That's a "no" then.

    I asked you.

    In other words, Jesus said God is good.

    Was Jesus wrong, Jan?
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    While we're quoting scriptural verses, here are just a few that suggest to me that God might be good:

    Romans 8:28 ESV

    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

    Psalm 145:9 ESV
    The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made.

    Psalm 107:1 ESV
    Oh give thanks to the Lord, for he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever!

    James 1:17 ESV
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

    Genesis 1:31 ESV
    And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

    Matthew 5:9-10 ESV
    “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


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    But I guess the bible is mistaken, or these are just human perceptions.
     
  17. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No need for it to end. Another similar would/will just pop up. Do you prefer the older Elvis?
     
  18. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I think both old and young Elvis were legendary. What he lacked in dance moves as a youngster, he made up for it with his trademark stances.

    jan.
     
  19. river

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    The perfect or flawless evil god is a master of manipulation of the populace .

    Which is evident in what we see happening around us .
     
  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Nah. The Bible isn't mistaken. He is Goodness.

    jan.
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Fair enough.

    I mean there's no need for God to hurt people anymore than we need to ship ice to the north pole, sand to the Sahara, or mini skirted beauties to any English city at the weekend.

    We'll have to pass on this one.

    Nope. God is the standard, as he so rightly stated.

    jan.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's how I feel about the baby Jesus. He lacked the gravitas of the older Jesus but there was a certain joie de vivre that was lacking in the more world weary Jesus.
     
  23. river

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    Meaning ..?
     

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