How ever you emphasise it, the fallacy remains. Such a convincing rebuttal, Jan. I am in awe at your loquatiousness. So how am I a liar? First show me how I am wrong, and then show me where I have intentionally offered up a falsehood? Can you do that for me, Jan? Don't be pedantic, Jan: I have clearly used "say" and "say in one's heart" synonymously here. If that is what I do you could perhaps argue your case. But since it isn't, I guess it's just another irrelevant comment by you. Where am I spreading anything, Jan? I am merely pointing out to Alex that you have fallaciously adopted a particular quote, and have provided reasoning. Where is the corruption? Show that it is corrupted. I am doing no such thing, Jan. You may want to reread what I have actually said - and it is only that your use of the quote is fallacious, with rationale behind that claim. But if you feel the need to make more shit up to justify your position... Hey ho.