planets orbit like their stars vibrate ?

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And more baseless claims my someone who is childishly gullible, surprisingly ignorant, and banned from the sciences.

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  3. nebel

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    to come back to the dustrings, out of which planets coalesce. particularly the spacings of the rings or toroids, wich show a very regulat geometric pattern here in our home system.
    As gravity takes a tighter and tighter hold, matter, space acquired a kind of tension, like a string on a musical instrument, and will develop[ frequencies at which it will respond, create waves and nodes. and in these nodes, aka dust rings, matter, fluff, , eventually planets will form, but note river: they are like rivers, they have to flow around the center or spiral in.
    All this is due to to a ur-rotation of the particular molecular cloud.
    lucky for us, our's ended up with a 5 minute and 160 minute.pulsation, with "c," a .3 AU and 9.6 AU wavelength.
     
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  5. river

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    Stars move out , not inward , from the Galactic core , the Globular Center .
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    More bullshit.
     
  8. nebel

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    The Thread is an alternative theory about planets, orbit spacings, but
    yes, stars move around the galactic center and they form mostly, , believe it or not, in standing waves, which are seen as the spiral arms, through which the galactic matter moves. and
    as all waves, there is a resonance, frequency to them. a very low frequency in this case.

    radial movement? wait for Andromeda.
     
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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In essence gravitational interactions control the movement of the stars, either in or out, as it does in the actual formation of the galaxy.
     
  10. nebel

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    Of course nothing happens outside these fundamental laws, forces of nature, but something special occurs to galactic material as it revolves through these pressure zones, spiral arms, quasi standing waves. It shines brighter than the same material between them.
    The theoretical theory here posits, that the planetary orbits possibly happened as spiral arms that have flattened, tipped into torusses, rings we both see in ALMA images,
    just as tornadoes often are roller clouds in super cells, that have tipped from the horizontal to vertical. and start sucking up debris. Nature uses the same patterns over and over again after all.
    Usually one wave, standing or not, seldom comes by itself.
    Our solar system looks like a geometric procession with an upper and lower limit of wavelength, harmonics all.
    P.S. :
    this will not happen out of sync. with the natural vibration pattern, possibilities of the overwhelming developing central mass.
     
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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Spiral arms are thought to be actually density waves, as analogous to traffic jams on a Highway. And naturally, then appear brighter then the intervening space with only a smaller number of stars.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_galaxy
     
  12. nebel

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    right, but are they not also star forming times? , for more interstellar melecules are piled up to come together in lumps while we are riding the wave? ?
    point is, the arms,' waves' location is nearly at standstill compared to the rotating disk. Since there are multiple arms, it is really a really really long frequency pressure, sound wave.
    not at all like our tides that are waves that are quasi- stationary below the Sun & Moon, their stationary gravitational fields. and the earth in turning inside them, raising the tides.for water is not compressible. so:
    surf is up, surfing time, sometime on stationary waves in rivers.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I presume so...the more stars and debris, the more S/nova... and the more debris for continued stellar formation.
     
  14. Ethernos 1997 Registered Senior Member

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    what if the pulsation is causing gravititional ripple???
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes most probably it certainly would be causing gravitational waves, but also probably too small to measure or record.
     
  16. Ethernos 1997 Registered Senior Member

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    if frequency is fast and if light travel through this small ripple...can we get something out of it?
     
  17. nebel

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    A ripple is a good description, because they seems to always have a repetitive pattern. Disturbances travel through the magnetic and gravitational fields at the speed of light "c", so that twould be reflected in wavelength, if you know the frequency.
    The solar system shows a "c" based distance pattern. I will put up an analysis, added from the Bode- based op covering from Sun to Mars soon.
    Gravitational waves we detect by LIGO are only faint because they obey the inverse square distance law.
    These birth pang, periodic pulsations might now be only a shadow of the initial set up, now settled down.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing travels faster then light...including spacetime.
    If suddenly the Sun should vanish, we would not know or feel it for another 8.25 minutes. By then the spacetime warpage the Sun would have caused, would have dissipated from the source at "c", along of course with the light itself following geodesics in that spacetime. And then Earth would be dark and fly off at a tangent.
     
  19. nebel

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    I will ask that question, in science, but I think I am still barred.

    "(You have insufficient privileges to post here.)", yes, confirmed,
    there you have it, I am confined to the fringe. but remember,
    today's fringe is tomorrow's mainstream. --sometimes,-- in energytime. timespace perhaps.
     
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  20. nebel

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    " --the forces that determined our Solar System's unusual architecture, --
    ---the arrangement of planets in our own Solar System is highly unusual,--"
    bold added, quoted from:

    Carnegie Institution for Science. "Where were Jupiter and Saturn born? An additional planet between Saturn and Uranus was kicked out of the Solar System in its infancy." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 29 October 2020. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201029115802.htm>.

    These findings, models exclude the here proposed Vibration model, of this thread, but
    the solar/ planetary system is unusual? in spite of the clear geometric progression and lowe and upper limit in spacings?
    If so, the vibration/ standing wave model is unique, and we are unique, the model does not spell a universal law.
    bode be banned from the wider world?
     
  21. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Let's hope so!
    That's a relief.
    But you should remember, today's ignorant crap is still ignorant crap tomorrow.
    Ignoramus-time.
     
  22. nebel

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    Why hyphenate it? nebel startet his 10st decade yesterday. 91st year in nebeltime.
    Ignorance is bliss, nebel, nebulously, does not have the foggiest, right? iyho, so:

    Instead of an ad hominem comment, do you not have another good physbot diagram to contribute to the topic here? and:

    today's feared fringe is tomorrow's science, sometimes...
     
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  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sure those ideas have been modified some after the many extra solar planets that have been found, including "hot Jupiters" which has been explained by planetary migration.
    Our own galactic system, hence solar system, is somewhat mature, indicated by the relative dormant nature of the SMBH near the core.
    In the early histories of galaxies and their SMBH's, most are in what can be called a feeding frenzy, gobbling up stellar remnants and other product, until there is an area swept out that remains reasonably clear, and the SMBH then quietens down so to speak. These are observations made in recent times of other stellar and galactic systems.
     
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