planets orbit like their stars vibrate ?

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  1. nebel

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    assuming that that a BH, the singularity more precisely, is a point mass, a point having neither length, widths or heights, that leaves only the time dimension. and even there, it could be even not showing any measurable movement. stuck in time. so to speak. but

    the connection to the OP is , that there is movement in the magnetic field of the BH perimeter, and action in the infalling matter, and the interference of the two could rise to density waves, where material congregates. In that they resemble stars. as hown in the linked image.
     
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  3. river

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    Disagree , totally . This makes No sense at all . Why you don't see what you said above as non-sense this baffles me . And really many people think this , not just you .

    You don't understand time . Clearly .

    time is based on movement . And the movement is based on the physical . Without Physical movement there is No time . Think of time this way ; the essence of time .....if there is No movement upon what is time based ? Time is not a real dimension . In that existence does not depend on time to exist . If I take time away from the other three dimensions , the other three dimensions would still exist . But if I take one of those three dimensions out , time would cease to exist . Because time is dependent on those other three in which to exist . The other three however are not dependent on time to exist for them to exist .

    Hence time is a mathematical construct . Not a real influential dimension in the real world of this Universes Existence .
     
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    Higgs Boson was a Physical Object . Higgs Boson was not based on time . Because time doesn't matter . It was the understanding of the physical that mattered .
     
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  7. nebel

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    please transfer your comment to the ALMA thread, where "time" with movement or without, is discusses. I probably have more direct experience with time than most on this board.

    Yes, time is of the essence, it is the flight of light, or gravity, magnetism in one second that converts the pulse of a star to wavelength in the spacing of the planetary orbits.
    The 5 minute sun's pulse would correlate with the ~ .3 AU smallest orbital differences, Mercury to Venus to Earth. doubling after that, becoming ~9.6 AU = 160 minutes above Saturn, to Uranus to Neptune, to Pluto.
     
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  8. river

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    What is the essence of the light beam coming from a star , or our Galactic Core ? Or gravity or magnetism ?

    The Physical . Not time .
     
  9. nebel

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    it is the length of time marked off, that determines a wavelength. nodes in a wave where matter would accumulate , as in chladni plate. but
    as shown in the Alma thread, time always existed.
     
  10. river

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    It doesn't matter . To light , gravity or magnetism .

    The flight of light , gravity and magnetism is going to happen regardless of time . Because all three are because the of the Physical .

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    What is a wavelength that is not marked off ?
     
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  11. nebel

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    This thread is about wavelength that become apparent by their interference patterns, standing waves, resonances. waves have a long reach too. travelling for millions of years. remarkable.
    Resonances (waves) might even determine where matter congregates or not.
     
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    Because these wavelengths are because of the physical . From the mintutist , to the macro , Galaxies .

    If there was no physical reality , then we wouldn't exist .
     
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    No doubt about it. but nothing, even uncreated energy has to have time to exist in. Some energy comes in packets, energy is transported ib waves of oscillating mass, or fields.
    WQe exist because of the waves in our brains. that is how we are conscious.
    All resonances existing harmoniously gives us the long term stability to exist, evolve.
     
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    WQe is ?
     
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    Nothing has No potential to create .
     
  16. nebel

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    sorry, that was a freudian slip. "We" become a wee more by the errant Q.

    even if there is no matter, material, you can have waves, oscillations, waves with wavelength, frequencies. right? think of light. photons, no mass, only energy (although the exert pressure, weight) but they can be waves, have a frequency. and
    think of the periodic warping of spacetime through the action of mass. travelling along at "c"
    The sun Jupiter system oscillating in an~ 11 year cycle around it's bary centre.
    Stars and planets oscillating in sync.
     
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    Non-sense continues .
     
  18. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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  20. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Of course, I can also provide c++ code on planetary orbit calculation, and I look forward to hearing your comments.
    my emal: tony1807559167@gmail.com
     
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  21. nebel

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    Thank you for posting your advanced work in connection with this simple thread.
    May I just say, if gravitational waves, gravity waves move through the field from different sources, they are bound to have interference patterns.
    In this thread is proposed, that the many sources of gravity and magnetic events at one time created standing wave patterns, with troughs or nodes, into which matter congregated at resonant distances, resulting in today"s orbital spacings.
     
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    The sun's revolution gravitational waves will affect gravity, but this effect is very weak, and it will affect the planet's orbital precession.

    The gravitational waves between planets will be weaker, but we can also clearly depict the physical model, just like what I did in the paper.
     
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    https://arxiv.org/abs/0802.0176
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0802/0802.0176.pdf

    This is a piece of paper I found on arXiv.

    I have written to the author:
    Where did you get the data in your paper? It is very different from the data given by Professor Richard.
    Through the clues below you provided, I have not been able to find the precession data of Venus. Can you provide a link? Or pdf file.

    “Observational results for the ‘relativistic perihelion precession’ have been presented from other sources for which the references have been cited. ”
    “For Venus, we have presented very recent observational results (that are yet to be published) derived from recent Magelan doppler data near Venus [8].”
    “ [8] E. V. Pitjeva: private communication (2007). ”


    The Venus precession data will determine whether GR is right or mine is right.
    8.6" vs 240"
     

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