planets orbit like their stars vibrate ?

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by nebel, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. nebel

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    For that the sun seems to have zeroed in on us mostly. as a former waltz fiend I liked that:
    The Sun and the Earth/Moon system, but particularly our satellite, rotate at ~ the same rate: 4 weeks, ~28 days per rotation, depending on depth and latitude. ladies with gratitude.
     
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  3. nebel

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    with due respect, many factors determine and maintain the orbits, even of our Moon, without wich our planet, N.10, would not have the stability, distance, tilt, that allowed life to flourish and evolve for ~ billions of years.
    These factors, laws and energy that the Big bang carried forward served us well, and vibrations, from strings to pulsation, Eigenschwingungen of galaxies are part of that mix imho.
    Potatoes grow in a row, where we space them.
    The planet possibly formed in rings that were shook into place by a young sun's solar pulsations like sand by sound on a Chladni plate. or a Stradivarius.
     
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  5. river Valued Senior Member

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    We are in the Suns , equatorial rotation balance . Where the sphere of the Sun , north and south rotations , meet .

    A three dimensional plane of neutral energy . A space free of any macro physical forces .
     
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  7. globali Registered Senior Member

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    Earth is revolving only around the sun. You are talking about permissive orbits here.

    And in any case, the distance Mercury-Venus is 10% more than the distance Venus-Earth. If Jupiter played a role you would expect the opposite.
     
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  9. nebel

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    globli, I hear you. but you have to look at the bigger picture, the conformity to the template established by Jupiter and the Earth. Of course deviations can be extreme, when one is positive and the other negative. fact remains that the scattering of maximum + or - 5 % is well within other parameters of astronomical phenomenas. appreciate you input though nebel.
     
  10. river Valued Senior Member

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    You do

    I did a quick look . Obviously

    What are you saying about the Suns equatorial plane ? What is it ? To you ?

    I would like to know what you are thinking about this .

    river
     
  11. nebel

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    we are going off topic I am afraid. Please give a link so we can look at all the features. and comment there. thank you.
     
  12. river Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean ? Be clear .
     
  13. nebel

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    river, We are talking about solar pulsations here. You are introducing the Solar equatorial plane. a different subject. Give us a new topic for that, or a link to your ideas. thank you
     
  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    Gottcha , sorry

    Carry on
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Welcome to discussion with nebel...
     
  16. globali Registered Senior Member

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    lol! Skewing reality to fit your desires makes you happier!!
    Today is Monday but we should be excited about the weekend, because it is almost Tuesday that is only 1 day away from Wednesday that is almost Thursday!! Thursday is technically Friday
     
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  17. nebel

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    please no dissing and cussing.
    nebel has his points. That is life: leben.
     
  18. nebel

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    Here is proof, with small scale experiments, , how vibrations, projected into space can create bodies.or how planets orbit like their stars vibrate.
    1. Melody X. Lim, Anton Souslov, Vincenzo Vitelli, Heinrich M. Jaeger. Cluster formation by acoustic forces and active fluctuations in levitated granular matter. Nature Physics, 2019; DOI: 10.1038/s41567-019-0440-9
    2. University of Chicago. "Scientists levitate particles with sound to find out how they cluster together." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 5 March 2019. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/03/190305135257.htm>.
    3. nebel since ~ 1992.
     
  19. nebel

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    Here are excerpts from the above Science journal articles, Highlighted to show the relevance, connection between Star pulsation, and Planet formation and location.

    Quote:-- "Scientists from the University of Chicago and the University of Bath used sound waves to levitate particles, revealing new insights about how materials cluster together in the absence of gravity *-- principles which underlie everything from how molecules assemble to the very early stages of planet formation from space dust.""Much of the universe is made up of particles assembling," said Heinrich Jaeger, the Sewell Avery Distinguished Service Professor of Physics, who co-authored a new study that appears in Nature Physics. "With acoustic levitation, we have a beautiful model to study assembly --In this case, the team was interested in the shape of prototypical clusters that form when, starting from a single particle, more are added one by one. They used sound waves to levitate-and studied how these particles interact with each other as they formed clusters,--to understand how bodies in space like planets start to form." This would be the very earliest stages, the scientists added, when the future planet is just a clump of space dust perhaps a centimeter across -- before gravity starts to become a factor.
    "A surprise was that by changing the sound wave frequency, we could manipulate the clusters and influence the shape** that emerged,--" end of quotes

    * particles in orbit around a star can be considered in zero gravity, otherwise they would not be in orbit in a taurus or ring as pictured by ALMA foe example
    ++ shape no doubt not only of the individual cluster but the shape at a macro scale, the spacing of rings, and finally planets in distinct, resonance relate orbit spacings,
     
  20. nebel

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    Also what about the Kuiper zone objects?

    globali, Up to Pluto the doubling of orbit diameter, and the maximum spacing of 9.6 AU =160 minute solar pulsation works well with semi major axes. Interestingly past that
    more influence is seen from the orbiting masses for example Pluto's and Neptune's perihelia are very close; the 2 orbits, like two chain links of different sizes hooked together. and again at twice the Pluto distance. ~ 77.6 AU. near Sedna's perihelion we have a clustering of TNO. Kuiper belt objects. A repetition of octave-like extensions, but also taking in perihelia.
    So, Yes by all indication the coinciding of solar pulsation timing and distance in light speed wave length is without doubt shown in the inner solar system, but might be carried into the Kuiper belt, perhaps even into the Oort cloud by resonant action of the mass in the orbiting bodies.
    When searching for other TNOs, aka Kuiper belt objects, using perihelia and multiples of the Pluto orbit (which seems solar derived) should prove fruitful imho.
    "Konstantin Batygin1 and Michael E. Brown1
    Published 2016 January 20 • © 2016. The American Astronomical Society. All rights reserved.
    The Astronomical Journal, Volume 151, Number 2
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    "Recent analyses have shown that distant orbits within the scattered disk population of the Kuiper Belt exhibit an unexpected clustering in their respective arguments of perihelion.
    We demonstrate that the perihelion positions and orbital planes of the objects are tightly confined and that such a clustering has only a probability of 0.007% to be due to chance, thus requiring a dynamical origin.--" bold added.
    Here is the correlation: The Perihelion of Sedna is 76 AU, the next Bode position after Pluto is 2x 388 = 776, within 5%, 77.6
     
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  21. nebel

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    Just read this: A Relevant quote from the 2018 edition of Paul Halpern's "The Quantum Labyrinth" page 24 par 1:
    "Einstein constructed general relativity in a manner that the crinkled fabric of spacetime serves as a go-between.-- The suns's massive presence creates a gravitational well, -- disturbances ripple away from that source, affecting the motions of other things--In case of the solar system , the sun's gravitational disturbances radiate outward throughout spacetime at the speed of light , creating troughs that compel planets to move in curved orbits--" bold added for emphasis..
    This is a history, not a scientific paper, but the author must know his sources.
    Solar disturbances creating standing waves producing planetary orbits.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    That's not a very good description. Gravitational radiation has nothing to do with planetary orbits. Nor are the orbits like troughs in some kind of gravitational wave propagating out from the sun.

    A more accurate picture is that the Sun's mass bends spacetime into a kind of "well". The planets are sort of like balls that roll around on the "wall" of that well, not falling into the sun because of their orbital speeds. The planets comes with their own, smaller, "wells", so the overall picture of spacetime is something like a big well with smaller indentations that orbit around the Sun with the planets.

    It's important to realise that this picture, although better than the above, is still just a way to visualise the kind of thing that is happening, in a somewhat hand-waving way. The analogy breaks down because the "walls" of the wells are not two-dimensional surfaces. Space is curved in such a way that there is more volume of space closer to the Sun. And the analogy also breaks down because this "curvature" we're trying to visualise is not just a curvature of space, but a curvature of spacetime (a 4-dimensional manifold).
     
  23. nebel

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    You are correct, the paragraph I retyped indeed says that, but then it added, using the analogy of stepping into a full bathtub, that like such disturbances in the water surface, additional troughs within the well wall would be produced that confine the proto -planetary matter. troughs of standing waves within the gravity well. thank you.
    PS. The book, in the appendix gives no source for the author's interpretation of distinct spacetime "crinkles" like that, but the remarks clearly hinted at the star resonance related theme of this thread.
     
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