Right on, CT, but sometimes even claiming "human" is embarrassing, since most of them are so ignorant. I've seen "normal" and am glad to be called "not". As far as jobs, I've never gotten a really good one via going through anyones HR dept. It's meeting some other engineer or whatever in a bar or something, and them deciding to try and recruit me - by the time I meet HR, the deal is done. Just as I won't work for anyplace that needs a union. If the atmosphere is that poisoned, they can look elsewhere for "talent". One boss that pays me is bad enough - two, one of which I have to pay, and who prevents me from helping a buddy due to "Work rules" - you have to be kidding. I also have axes to grind towards anything that smells like anti-meritocracy, favoring tenure over quality. But I've not been in the job market for a really long time...my last job was CEO of a company I owned, and I retired 16 years ago, pretty well off.