Portage County/Ravenna UFO chase 1966

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    More anecdotes?
     
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    Eyewitness accounts of the same object by totally credible witnesses. Compelling evidence for ufos.
     
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    No, not compelling by any stretch of the imagination. for the many reasons I have stated before in past debates.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No. It's the kind of usual second- or third-hand account that you always post.

    You have provided no documentation to back up any of the story.

    And even if the policemen who were involved were telling what they regarded as the truth, it is very possible they were mistaken about what they thought they saw.

    The conclusion reached by experts at the time was apparently that the men mistook the planet Venus and/or a passing satellite for an alien spaceship.
     
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    Right..just like the evening news, documentaries, historical accounts, biographies, and just about everything people tell us happened to them.

    I don't have to. Nobody is insane enough to deny this famous sighting ever occurred. Well, not nobody it seems..
     
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    An unconfirmed story told by two or three policeman back in 1966 is hardly comparable to your average evening news bulletin.

    Historians, documentary makers and biographers typically consult multiple independent sources before they start drawing conclusions.

    And extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, as you know. Mundane claims ... well, not so much.

    I'm happy to accept that those policemen saw a light in the sky that they couldn't identify. But that's about the extent of the evidence, as far as I can tell.

    Is there anything more than their story?

    Where's the evidence that the light they saw was an alien spacecraft?
     
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    For people too paranoid to believe the Portage County UFO encounter ever occurred, here's some supporting documentation on the case.

    http://www.nicap.org/portagedoc.htm

    What do you say it was? The planet Venus? lol!

    Here's an eyewitness's sketch of the object:

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    There are many countless possibilities from trickery/pranksters to atmospheric anomalies and mirages.
    The point is as usual, you define the "U" in UFO to automatically mean Alien.
    Strange it may seem, unexplained it might be, but unidentified is what it is.
     
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    I define UFO like this:

    "An unidentified flying object, or UFO, in its most general definition, is any apparent anomaly in the sky that is not identifiable as a known object or phenomenon."---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object

    Notice that the definition excludes already any natural or manmade cause. It's equivalent now to saying "flying saucer". The otherworldly nature of it is implicit in this definition. As such it has it's own typical traits and identifying characteristics.
     
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    No, that's just fabricated nonsense. It simply remains unidentified.

    unidentified
    (ˌʌnaɪˈdɛntɪˌfaɪd)
    adj
    not identified or recognized: an unidentified man.

    unidentified - not yet identified; "an unidentified species"; "an unidentified witness"
    unknown - not known; "an unknown amount"; "an unknown island"; "an unknown writer"; "an unknown source"
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    unidentified - being or having an unknown or unnamed source; "a poem by an unknown author"; "corporations responsible to nameless owners"; "an unnamed donor"

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unidentified
     
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    "The USAF defines a UFO as: Anything that relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be identified as a familiar object. (USAF Regulation 200-2)."---http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=UFO
     
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    I'll go along with that, for at least a small percentage of reported UFO's.
    Still though essentially, they remain as unexplained and unidentified.
    Rather silly to jump to medically probing Aliens that flitter in and flitter out again, without making their supposed visitations official, particularly since they would really have nothing to fear.

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    Magical Realist:

    Are you saying I am paranoid because I don't just take your word for it that this UFO sighting represents "compelling" evidence for alien spacecraft?

    How so?

    Thanks. That's interesting information, although a little light on.

    Do you know where I can find the "extensive report" on the case, that is referenced in those materials?

    I'd be interested to see, for example, what investigations were done regarding the numerous airplanes that were reported as interacting with passing the UFO. I note that nothing anomalous was apparently registered on any reported radar. Were military jets scrambled, or not? What about the passengers and crew on the commercial flight? Were any of them interviewed? What did they say?

    Not me. That was the speculation of certain military investigators, I believe.

    I like to keep an open mind until the evidence is in, as you know.

    Yes. This is from one account, and it doesn't seem to exactly match certain other accounts or drawings. One other drawing, for example, only shows a simple ellipsoidal shape.

    So, nothing compelling yet, but it is interesting. Got anything else?
     
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    That's it, then for the "compelling" evidence on that UFO thing? LOL.
     
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    You can't argue away a multiply-witnessed well documented case of 2 police cars chasing a elliptical glowing ufo for 50 miles on the freeway back in 1966. It happened. Deal with it.
     
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    Hi MR what do you think the object was from your research on the matter?
    Alex
     
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    The only documents I've seen so far have been "witness" statements.

    This case has no photographs, no radar traces, no records of movements of any aircraft (military or civilian), no records of any physical evidence. And so far, while I've seen claims that somebody conducted an extensive investigation, I haven't seen the resulting report (if any).

    All this happened, as you say, back in 1966, which is a very long time ago now. By the looks of it, as far as I can tell from the material presented so far, the incident wasn't very well investigated at the time.

    We know that two or three policemen thought they saw some kind of light, which they interpreted as a flying object. That's what we know happened. Everything else is mere speculation. Deal with it.
     
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    A UFO..
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So why do you insinuate that it is anything more?

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