Possibility of star formation around black holes

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Beaconator, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    . The laws of nature require that matter and antimatter be created in pairs. But within a millifraction of a second of the Big Bang, matter somehow outnumbered its particulate opposite by a hair, so that for every billion antiparticles, there were a billion and one particles. Within a second of the creation of the universe, all the antimatter was destroyed, leaving behind only matter. So far, physicists have not been able to identify the exact mechanism that would produce this apparent "asymmetry," or difference, between matter and antimatter to explain why all the matter wasn't also destroyed.


    Today, antimatter appears to exist primarily in cosmic rays -- extraterrestrial high-energy particles that form new particles as they penetrate the earth's atmosphere. And it appears in accelerators like CERN's, where scientists create high-energy collisions to produce particles and their antiparticles. Physicists study the properties and behavior of manufactured antiparticles, and the antimatter they form when they combine, hoping to find clues to this asymmetry mechanism.

    Most scientists believe that a subtle difference in the way matter and antimatter interact with the forces of nature may account for a universe that prefers matter, but they haven't been able to definitely confirm that difference in experiments. Theories suggest that even if equal amounts of matter and antimatter were created with the Big Bang, disparities in their physical properties -- such as decay rate or life span -- might favor a matter-filled world. In 1967, Russian theoretical physicist Andrei Sakharov postulated several (rather complex) conditions necessary for the prevalence of matter. One required something called "charge-parity" violation, which is an example of a kind of asymmetry between particles and their antiparticles that describes the way they decay. By comparing the way particles and antiparticles move, interact, and decay, physicists have been trying to find evidence of that asymmetry ever since.


    more at....
    https://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/cern/ideas/antimatter.html
     
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  3. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The asymmetry is time. When cpt symmetry is broken it is known as a cp violation. The cause is a difference in time between matter and antimatter whilst being interchanged.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So you think you have solved it hey?
    I think you are now trolling...You have given your version three or four times now, with no evidence to support it, and like with other pseudo science nutbags, in the past on this forum, just rant on regardless of evidence presented to the contrary.
     
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    - Note the following (Bold by dmoe) :
    - the ^^above quoted^^ from : https://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/cern/ideas/antimatter.html

    Is it at all possible that Beaconator has imagined, or is imagining : "opening the door to an amazing new discovery no one has yet imagined"?
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Ýep, there is certainly a non zero chance he may be on to something.
    And there is also a non zero chance that the theories of SR/GR may also be wrong.
    But the ideas and posts from beaconator, and the corrections that have been made in them by reputable people such as Russ, Walter, Janus58 and brucep show him to be wrong.
    But yeah, that non zero chance is that the four mentioned maybe wrong.
    Overwhelming evidence though leans the other way.
     
  9. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Sure some slight corrections have been made on thoroughly evidenced work which allows my thought processes to flutter from coherent structures to occasional unintelligible formulations of pure imagination. I will reiterate the main proposition I wish to be considered.

    Matter is formed somewhere between the outside of a galaxy and a black hole. The result of which creates chemicals.

    Yet I believe it is time to set some goals with this operation.

    1. How is matter formed.

    2. What forces form matter.

    3. How do we recreate matter's creation.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    so you have an hypothesis? You are speculating?
    Where's the evidence? Do you have access to CERN and/or any other particle accelerator?



    LAW of PHYSICS:
    Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, merely transformed from one to the other: FIXED:


    It was probably formed during the first few seconds post BB, during the phase transitions and false vacuum epochs, evolving from the decoupling of the Superforce. [But I also ask those here more expert into that period to elaborate on that particular epoch]
    This has something to do with SUSY or supersymmetry.
    No accelerator as yet has detected the Superforce, but it does unify all the known particles in the particle zoo.
    Also helpful with the above is of course Einsteins E=Mc2 and the energy that was associated with the BB.
    brucep, Grumpy or one of the other knowledgable people here may like to elaborate on the above.....

    The excess energy from the phase transtions when the hypothetical Superforce was decoupling and Einstein's E=Mc2.





    We can't as yet.


    If you are interested in the most probable scenario this may help.....

    http://www.closertotruth.com/video-...r-Form-in-the-Early-Universe-Max-Tegmark-/886
     
  11. river

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    So the medium that the light-wave passes through does not affect the light-wave frequency
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Where does it say that?
    Do you know what cosmological redshift is?
    Do you know what gravitational redshift is?
    Both mediums dictate the wavelength/frequency of the light we receive.
    In one space/time is expanding [cosmological]
    In the other space/time is curved [gravitational]
     
  13. river

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    The medium I'm referring too , is the space where gravity is not a consideration

    But the energy in , for the lack of a better description , in empty space

    The space between one star and another
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    We have an excellent model regarding the formation of the elements........Both the fission and fusion atomic and thermo nuclear weapons attest to that.
    Why are you having trouble accepting that?
     
  15. river

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    Because he doesn't agree
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    ????
    Are you denying the existence of nuclear weapons?
    Are you denying the existance of particle accelerators?

    But again, if you have another model, or evidence invalidating the incumbent model, then get it peer reviewed


    In the mean time....

    http://www.acs.org/content/dam/acso...ol/chemmatters/chemmatters-oct2009-origin.pdf

    http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Astrochemistry/3 - MATTER/nuclear synthesis.pdf

    http://www.weseekthetruth.org/articles/article102.html


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...origins-atomic-elements-bodies_n_3117063.html



    It's really quite logically simple.
     
  17. river

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    before fission and fusion , matter is formed , how ? Is the question
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, that wasn't the question.

    the statement was as follows...
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    Matter is formed somewhere between the outside of a galaxy and a black hole. The result of which creates chemicals.
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    I gave the process re elements.

    Now if you see the need to ask about "matter" creation period, then that has been explained also.
     
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  20. river

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    Explain the creation of matter then
     
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  22. river

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    Pad

    BB is the essence of energy and therefore matter ( cool it )

    So the further you get from the core of the galaxy , the cooler energy is and therefore the more matter than energy should exist
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    rivers...you seem to have missed the boat somewhat.
    I have explained it in my own words and given a link, explaining how our first fundamentals of matter were evolved, and how different elements came about, due to the fusion processes of stars and supernova, no matter how far from the galactic center.
     

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