Prejudice and Bigotry in Law Enforcement

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Tiassa, Jun 23, 2020.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i dont think that is an actual legal thing

    soo if you wish to compare apples with apples
    you need to be holding an apple

    are police automatically charged like civilians are ?
    no

    why not ?
    lack of evidence ?
    isnt evidence supposed to be presented in the trial ?

    so where is the thing they give in exchange for the benefit ?
    are you sure its not charity being given to the police ?(police charity ?[what does that mean?])

    so if they are handed packages of free benefits of doubts
    then they must be giving something in return that is tangible

    what are they giving that is tangible as a profitable "thing" ?

    remember !
    apples for apples
    no benefits without profits
    what is the profit ?
     
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  3. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    You bring up a good point, Rainbow. I've often wondered why police officers are treated differently when it comes to violating the law, over civilians? Cops are not above the law, but the way they tend to be ''protected,'' one would think the law doesn't apply to them.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The district attorney (prosecutors office) works closely with cops so they are more lenient when it comes to pressing charges where cops are concerned.

    They also know that juries are more lenient where cops are concerned as far as giving them benefit of the doubts. Most communities want cops to provide protection and if there is no benefit of the doubt given to cops then no one would want to be a cop.

    Most departments have a hard time filling positions as it is. Think about it, you send cops into dangerous situations and then if they make a mistake (trying to stay alive) you prosecute them with no benefit of the doubt given to them, no one would become a cop. No one needs a job that bad.

    The problem isn't giving them more leeway, it's that when they do step over the line, they often get away with it because the investigations aren't done by another agency.

    In theory it's done by a separate department but that's not independent enough and the culture is also that fellow cops don't "rat" on each other. This is the tainted part, not that they are given a little more leeway than someone who isn't a cop.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Gee, I wonder how or why that would be...

    The data, obtained by WBEZ under Illinois' open-records law, show the city had 849 murders between the beginning of 2018 and this past July. When the victim was white, 47% of the cases were solved during those same 19 months. For Hispanics, the rate was about 33%. When the victim was African American, it was less than 22%.

    Oh look..

    True to form, racist queues the change of narrative. And lies to boot!

    How strange and unusual!
     
  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    im curious the cops who murdered george floyd how were they "trying to stay alive". i get to someone like you a unarmed, handcuffed, and prone black man is a lethal threat, but for someone with a functional brain(me) could you please explain it?
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    They aren't solved as often because they are in the inner city where the police presence isn't as great and where few cooperate with the police.

    Always have to resort to name calling I see. Like it or not, the police have always gotten more leeway for the reason that I mentioned.
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Your brain isn't fully functioning as I recall. I wasn't talking about George Floyd obviously. No one is justifying that one and they are being prosecuted. In general being a cop is a dangerous job and for that reason they get some leeway. They don't get to kill people for no reason however.

    Are you sure your brain is fully functioning? You're not very tolerant are you? That seems to be a common trait these days in certain quarters.
     
  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Wrongful death cases at the hands of cops aren’t “for no reason.” The cops have reasons, and justifications always, for their actions. Usually “I felt like my life was threatened,” is the number one go-to justification. So four cops who were armed felt that their lives were threatened over one unarmed man? (George Floyd) They shouldn’t be cops, if that’s the case. It’s definitely a tough job for sure, but common sense should prevail and those cops should have been able to apprehend Floyd without brutal force.
     
  12. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, I would agree that a third party investigation should be done when cops violate the law. Other cops (peers, really) don’t seem to be capable of objectivity in these situations.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    So, that's a no, then?

    Unsurprising.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    you are the one making the argument that POC are inherently threatening so frankly i don't give a shit what you recall.
    he was a stand in for all the POC the police kill and get away with.
    they don't get some leeway. they get a fuckton that lets them kill people for no legit reason. for fuck sake there is a literal website devoted to recording all the white supremist shit cops post.
    their

    yes
    Im very tolerant just towards things that are tolerable. racism not so much
    Im sorry ms Liddle that we aren't willing to go down the rabbit hole and through the looking glass with you. You seem upset that you can no longer be racist
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No, to what? "Lies to boot", WTF? You guys are like someone rooting for their favorite team, facts be damned.

    Have you ever actually been out of the house and met a real cop? I thought not.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You are being more bigoted than I could ever be.

    No one implied that people of color are threatening. Limit the rage a bit and maybe your brain will operate again. You provide your own outrage to react to.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    So, you can't even follow the discussion when the posts are short?

    You were asked↑ if you could explain something; you chose↑ not to; when asked↑ if that was a refusal, you changed the subject↑.

    Obverse, you're unwilling to follow the discussion; reverse, you're unable to follow the discussion. There are outcomes by which the effect is the same, but still.
     
  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't refuse to explain anything. What is your purpose in life? Just curious.

    Do you honest thinking I'm limited in my ability to think and communicate? Do you honestly think I'm an uneducated person? I don't think you deal with reality very well but I may be wrong. Am I? Are you a freak (in a manner of speaking)?
     
  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    power attracts those who seek to abuse it in any way possible
    thats just a natural part of the bad side of human nature
    if that is not systematically checked with various levels of checks and balances, then that power becomes a fascist psychopath serial killer rapist
    thats how it works
    like leaving the pot on the stove to long
    there is only 2 things that will happen
    either it burns the contents & destroys the pot & the stove
    or it catches fire and burns the entire house down and those in it at the same time

    we seem to be seeing the kitchen start to catch fire

    part of the weird irony of the american culture of power worship
    is they demand the power authority to be un accountable
    they then also demand the power to have rights to be not held accountable as an equity to human rights
    no surprise that bullying of school children is normalized as part of their culture

    the big fat spoilt school boy bully is crying because he is being told off
    so he is demanding he be given the same rights as the victims which will supersede their rights
    so he can remain in the bully predator position
    no surprise narcissism is also coveted as a cultural ideal
    it is an American cultural psychological problem
    right though its culture & government & schools
    it is connected to almost everything.

    the metoo movement is the awakening to show the foot in the door to what power being held accountable is

    i guess this is a real test of the culture to see if it goes forward and evolves or goes backward into fascism and tyranny

    glad i dont live in the usa
     
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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    like American politicians and insider trading
    etc etc ...
    its normal american morality

    the school yard bully morality applies so the behaviour is on private or company land and anyone going on to it must agree to give up thier freedoms and rights
    conversely so with obtaining power in the usa
    you gain the legal ability to be allowed to ignore laws

    lobbyists buying politicians is the most obvious you can get.

    its really all about money
    and money comes before people

    thats how most people in the usa vote
    they vote for the richest person regardless if they are a serial killer or a rapist
    they dont care as long as they are the richest
    that is why how much they get in donations is such a vote buyer
    people want to be in with the biggest nastiest bully that everyone else is supporting
    because money comes before morals

    its no mystery its in plain sight for everyone to see

    and ...
    so if you dont have lots of money
    you need lots of power to get the what money buys

    they wont let go of power
    because society dictates money before people
    so power must be maintained to be swapped for money

    working class authority chicken & the egg
    on top of culture which normalises bullying and normalises revenge sadism as a form of normal justice(using civilized words)

    the rich elite are more than happy to sit back and watch the entire country burn its self to the ground
    they will be selling tickets & land grabbing the burnt ruins
     
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  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    why would someone willingly lay down naked on the dance floor ?
    (metaphor of general cross cultural understanding of conflicting moral customs, not relating to an actual dance floor & being socially deemed affronting to normal social boundaries)


    moral turpitude

    how can they be found guilty of a crime when they are the ones who are supposed to be never guilty


    how can society believe that absolute un regulated power is being reasonable so they are absolved of being socially accountable for societal morality & civil structure(community) ?


    uummm ... .... soo
    how do you solve it without changing anything ?

    ... soo... you want more riots ?
     
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  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    notice how most American arguments start with
    "I don't want"
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    So I'm a bigot because you don't understand the implications of your bullshit?

    you did that you lack the wit to understand the implications of your own argument is not my problem.
    my brain is operating fine. yours is in doubt if you cant understand that replying that cops feel threatened for there safety in a thread about police brutality focused on race implies that you feel they feel threatened by the nonwhiteness of their victims.
     

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