Wow.. okay.. What about in the case of the mother's health, for example? Do you think the life of the fetus should take precedence over the mother's health or rights? You see, I find it interesting that you deem it 'murder' even if "the fetus is dead". Do you view women to be murderers if their bodies naturally reject the pregnancy and she aborts it naturally? You make a very strong claim in this thread, primarily that women and the medical profession who have and perform abortions do so with the specific intention to stop 'a person' from developing. That doctors, for example, are only in it to kill fetus because they want to stop a fetus from becoming a child, etc. The irony of your statement of course is that doctors who routinely perform abortions are also obstetricians and gynaecologists who would spend the majority of their time helping women give birth or making sure they can fall pregnant in the first place. If I was to take your argument seriously, then taking anti-biotics would make one a murderer, because the intention there is also to kill 'life'. The same would apply to someone who had cancer, for example, and underwent surgery to remove that growing 'tissue' and then blasting it with radiation to kill anything that is left behind. Is that murder in your opinion because the clear intention there is to "kill"?