there is only one problem with Communism... it wants to force its way onto people... and so.. crush Capatilism.. there is only one thing wrong with Capatilism... it wants to force its way onto people... and so.. crush communism.. i say we can have both... side by side.. in all cities across the world. thus.. allowing the free market... and yet preventing the poverty that it allows by allowing for the security and unity of communes for the benefit of the poorest of the poor... and some of the slightly poor who are leftist. -MT
Indeed, and there are already cities in this world that have this. Let's wait for the rest to see the light. No, wait...they won't. Viva la revolution!!
Communism, if you want to apply the term to these examples, only worked well in cultures like Native American and Shaker communities. The Native Americans had very low population densities and a very benign environment. Combine that with a mobile hunter-gatherer type lifestyle, small-group dynamics and low technology. They had no impetus to develop the ideas of production ownership, class division or money. The system was stable for thousands of years until the Europeans showed up and destroyed them. The Shakers pursued a communal life through ideology, not circumstance. Their religious outlook matched up with the general tenets of communism, but was very clearly not for everyone. Nor was their culture sustainable, what with the celibacy and all. Early Indo-European life was quite probably communistic - I'm talking prehistory, Stonehenge-era people. Similar in some senses to Native American existence but likely to resemble more closely the Shaker life on a technological and animal-husbandry basis. The question arises - what was it that prodded those cultures into the capitalist way of life? I suggest (and it's not my original thought, of course) that Europe and the Middle East had a geography and a climate that provoked change. Limited fertile areas, easily-navigated interior waterways and seas, and other stressors propelled the culture into the capitalist mode.
well its really very simple... there are 3 million homeless people in the USA.. thats 1%.... as it is today, they are just left to die..... in the gutter.. eating trash.. so whats wrong with forming a vast commune system to prevent that? nothing... all we need to do is redifine Communism... literally... as i do for you, now..... I would here by Re-define Communism..: ready?... ok.... Communism: (1) "Pertaining to those who choose to, of their own accord, form commune's.. designed for mutual support and security, and activily pursues the efforts to eleviate all suffering, as such are the directives of Love." (2) "A point of view, or political opinion which dictates that is it better for people to live and work together, organised as one big family, who shares and cares, rather than trades and profits off each other." (3) A phylosophy which dictates : "We need not force the wealthy to become poor to help the poor... We need only organise the poor together in love, sharing and compassion, such that with large numbers and continued effort, there shall be no need for poverty any more, I.e... the reason people are poor and homeless, is because no one fucking cares about them, and of all people, the Communist does." (4) Commune-ism is clearly founded in the ideals of forming Communes for mutual benefit, and in the establishment of, in this way, socialist pockets of paradise, and which functions to eliviate the suffering and drawback of the free/ fair markets world. (5) An ideal wherein people organise themselves for love, security, and long term survivability. Such as, the basic Tribe mentality. (6) An ideal that just so happens to be the way Jesus said to live, as well as many other world religions in many different ways. -MT
Get a clue, communism is an idea of fools that is bound to become murderous as it does not work being totally idiotic. e Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! s
yes... that is why i had to redefine it.. to remove the conflict and hate part.. and add the love and compassion part. get it. -MT
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the idea is simple... if you dont like commune living.. thenn you dont have to.... simple.. you are free in the free world.. but if you fall into the gutter... then wouldnt it be nice if there was a socialist paradise in each community which cared enough about its fellow human as brothers and sisters that it would take you in.. treat you like family.. feed, house, educate, train, and assist you in many ways to return to the free world... or simply allow for your long term continued existance in the commune. in this way... only those who want to... have communism.. and those that want capatilism have it .... both at the same time... and all we need to do is take the revolution out of communism... and the oppression our of capatilism.... just build communes... communes dedicated to Love and compassion as all our world religions teach us to do.. generally.... thus communism becomes a religious thing. -MT
May I ask, where the commune members are going to work? Just kiss each other all the day? Who will protect them against thieves ? e Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! s
And what do we do about human frailties and faults ...just suck 'em out of people so they feel nothing but love and compassion? No feelings of jealousy? No feelings of lust? No feelings of greed? ....etc? You paint a nice picture, but then you fuck it all up by putting humans in it! Baron Max
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51045 see that thread... as it answers most of what you two asked. -MT
You do not have a slightest clue what Jesus has taught. Your 'interpretation" is even more idiotic than Marx's. e Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! s
Good point, but it's been working pretty well for most countrys. I just like that everyone seems to be on the same level as everyone else. I mean with Capitalism it's sort of like every man for themself sort of thing.
Name a few where it's been working pretty well. And where, exactly, would such a place be? Please give me a list of such places. Baron Max
Yes, there maybe problems with Socialism. But Capitalism isn't all it's cracked up to be. Communism may work, but I don't see how anyone would be happy with it. What's the point of having communism if your not happy with it? I wouldn't like someone telling me how to run my life. Capitalism can be really great. You can get yourself too be a rich person, but what about the other people who aren't as fortunate? Not everyone can be rich and we should have care for everyone, not just the big wigs in our nation. How many people get as lucky as Paris Hilton? (And don't even tell me she worked for what she got) Not many!
socialism.. is half communist, and half Capatilists... the problem then... is it forces all to be Socialist. if we had... the free market capatilism, and communism at the same time in the same cities... then we have both... and there is no need for conflict. in this communist take on the role of social charity... not by giving handouts.. but by offering a socialist paradise to live and work in... key word.. work. and no one is forced into anything.. and yet we can all live as we choose.. -MT
